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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 30 April 2010 at 7:01pm | IP Logged | 1  

By the way - as a follow up to John -

I really think there's a misunderstanding on a lot of levels here.

First - I read all your posts the same way - "Man, that guy needs to calm down - he's going to explode. Why is he so angry?" and then to read that you are getting that same vibe from me? There's clearly a miscommunication going on here.

Further, I knew as I was typing it that the line about you not understanding polling and so on would set you off, but I honestly did mean it in a good way - Matt Reed and Matthew and myself had all kind of called you on your questioning my questioning of study sourcing and before that went further, I wanted people to stop and consider that perhaps you weren't on the same page as us - maybe you didn't know or consider that it was something to be questioned.

And I stand by my assumption; I think it's a fair question, based on the interactions. I say the liberal media is a myth, you mention a study, I mention not knowing the source of the study (the implication being that it could be biased) and you ask the relevence of why asking the source.

Clearly, to me, that displayed that you didn't understand why people would ask about sources, but if I misunderstood you, then I made an inncorrect assumption.

Either way, que sera sera.

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The United States immigration laws that exist are stricter for LatinAmericans than for the rest of the world. So, let's look at that - why?Is it because there are more immigrants? Or because of treaties andpolicies in place? etc.

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Mike I think we know the real reason. Its because they are brown and poor. I've beat on this drum before but its hard to arrive at any other conclusion.
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Posted: 30 April 2010 at 7:15pm | IP Logged | 3  

Well, yeah, that was the unsaid there. Why no hassle about the Irish Immigrants? I see illegal Irish at Construction sites, not Mexicans.

But, you know, you get more flies with honey than vinegar.

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Posted: 30 April 2010 at 7:28pm | IP Logged | 4  

The United States immigration laws that exist are stricter for LatinAmericans than for the rest of the world. So, let's look at that - why?Is it because there are more immigrants? Or because of treaties andpolicies in place? etc.


It varies from country to country.  There is the policy that allows Cuban immigrants to stay legally if they can make it on to land before they are intercepted by the Coast Guard.  If they are caught before they make it to land though they are returned to Cuba.  Yet there is no such policy in place for any other group including Haitians because Cuba is a far worse place to live than Haiti?
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Posted: 30 April 2010 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | 5  

Well, yeah, that was the unsaid there. Why no hassle about the IrishImmigrants? I see illegal Irish at Construction sites, not Mexicans.

But, you know, you get more flies with honey than vinegar.


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Mike after watching Tim James (running to be Republican candidate for Alabama governor) campaign ad. The ad is him saying how only English should be on any government form. It does not sound that bad. But you would have to hear his tone. 


Im sick of pussy footing with these racist pieces of garbage. The hot poker needs to be jammed in their side and turned til the squeal.  

While im not pussy footing. I think anybody who considers Illegal immigrants a top problem is a racist.

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Posted: 30 April 2010 at 11:07pm | IP Logged | 6  

I think anybody who considers Illegal immigrants a top problem is a racist.

I agree.
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Posted: 01 May 2010 at 10:41am | IP Logged | 7  

That's a broad brush to paint people with. I agree they may have his or her priorities out of wack and It's true some could definately be racist.

 

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 Victor Rodgers wrote:
I think anybody who considers Illegal immigrants a top problem is a racist.

Seriously?  Then you must think much of our national government is racist, including Obama, because along with bank and health care reform, it's one of the top items on their agenda.

Sorry, but I agree with Michael on this one.  Huge, broad brush with which to paint people and an ugly one at that.

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 I think anybody who considers Illegal immigrants a top problem is a racist.

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Here's the thing, tho. It's ILLEGAL immigrants. Key word: ILLEGAL. If anything else mentioned illegal activity being a top priority, you'd be probably championing that cause. Why do you have such a problem with someone wanting to put a stop to something ILLEGAL?

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Illegal does not  = wrong. I need someone to show me how someone is being actively harmed before I support something. With Mexicans in this country all I see is people trying to catch a break and improve their lot in life. Thats not wrong to me and I will never support anyone trying to stop them.


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Seriously?  Then you must think much of our nationalgovernment is racist, including Obama, because along with bank andhealth care reform, it's one of the top items on their agenda.
Obama only has that on his agenda because of the  racist rubes who are in a lather over it. The anti Mexican sentiment in this country is so overwhelming it turns any politician into a spineless pussy.
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 Victor Rodgers wrote:
Obama only has that on his agenda because of the  racist rubes who are in a lather over it. The anti Mexican sentiment in this country is so overwhelming it turns any politician into a spineless pussy.

I don't question that there are some, perhaps many, who are using illegal immigration to further a racist agenda.  However that doesn't mean that we don't have an illegal immigration problem here in the US.  That also doesn't mean that someone living with it on the boarders of California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas who deal with it every day are racist simply because it's more important for them than someone who lives in Minnesota or South Dakota. 

To be clear, I'm certainly not saying the idiotic legislation in Arizona is right.  What I am saying is that we do have a problem.  To say that anyone who thinks that illegal immigration is a top line issue is racist is painting with way too broad a brush. 

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Ok, so what some immigrants are doing is illegal.

What should be the punnishment for it?

What I did an hour ago when I walked across the street to get a bottle of water was illegal. What should happen to me?

Are all laws just?

More questions.

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