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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 01 May 2010 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 1  

And consider that there are different rules for Mexicans to enter the United States than there are for Mexicans, so add that to it. It's a grim reality and we realize that the whole issue needs to be reworked and rethought.

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I have been busy in the fake name thread and campaigning for a guy running for town council, so if I re post something that is written, I am sorry and when I have a little more time I will go back and read everyone's post. But here is my take on this whole illegal immigrant problem. Why try to go after each individual illegal by making people produce ID's cards , which I feel is extremely insulting and down right un American. Why not go after employers that hire illegals. Explain to people that if you are caught hiring them, you will be facing very steep fines and a possible closure of your business. Then do stings. 

I think to make legal Americans have to show an ID to prove they are indeed US citizens just because they look a certain way is so scary and disgusting. If Arizona is the way we Americans have become, than I am honestly very sad. 
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40th anniversary of Kent State
A letter from the mother of one of the victims.

Last part is very connected to politics of today.

What I lost at Kent State

Elaine Holstein

is a retired school secretary and social worker

On Tuesday, it will be 40 years since my son Jeff was shot and killed on the campus of his college. He and three of his classmates were murdered by the National Guard at an antiwar demonstration at Kent State.

During a 13-second fusillade of rifle fire, Jeff, Allison Krause, Sandy Scheuer, and Bill Schroeder were killed and nine of their fellow students were wounded.

The students who had gathered that day - all unarmed - held a large range of opinions about the seemingly endless war in Vietnam.

Some, including Jeff, objected intensely to the increasing escalation of a war that had begun when they were barely in their teens. In fact, Jeff had written a poem about the war titled "Where Does It End?" in February 1966, shortly before he turned 16.

Others in the crowd had mixed feelings. Some were just onlookers. Some, like Sandy, were on their way to their next class.

And so, May 4, 1970, became one of the blackest days in the history of our country.

It was the day I not only lost my child but also lost my innocence.

I could no longer take on faith what I had been taught all my life about my "constitutional rights," the rights that supposedly made our country different from so many others.

The decade that followed was filled for me with grief, anger, disillusionment, and lawsuits. At the end of our legal battles, we were pressured by the judge and by our lawyers into accepting a settlement in which the parents of the dead students discovered that their sons' and daughters' lives were worth a mere $15,000 each.

It was never about the money for me. I wanted an admission of culpability, and more than that, I wanted an assurance that no mother would ever again have to bury a child for simply exercising the freedom of speech. But all we got was a watered-down statement that better ways must be found, etc., etc.

I also discovered what I perhaps should have known already: that so many of my compatriots did not feel as I did. They believed that the students who were killed or wounded got what they deserved and, as I heard far too often, the National Guard "should have killed more of them." And now - 40 years later - those wounded students are almost senior citizens.

Jeff, however, remains in my memory forever as that bright, funny, passionate 20-year-old.

I have spent 40 years watching my son Russ, Jeff's big brother, grow older. I've valued (perhaps more than I would have if Jeff had not died) the close, satisfying relationship we share.

I've had the great joy of seeing my grandchildren, Jeff (yes, another Jeff Miller) and Jamie, evolve from cute little children into a couple of the most admirable adults I know. I've danced at their weddings and have been made happy by their happiness.

But, once in a while, I wonder about my son Jeff's future, which had so needlessly been cut short.

What would he have been like now at age 60? What sort of career would he have had? Would he have married? And what about those other grandchildren that my husband and I might have enjoyed? Now, as I watch the news on TV each night, I deplore the increasing ugliness of politics, and I'm afraid. I know too well what can happen when hatred takes over.

Please, let us lower the volume and be civil toward one another. For Jeff's sake. And for all of ours.


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In the days proceeding the Kent State shootings, there were riots -- where the police were struck with bottles and rocks -- and an arson  --where firemen had to confront a mob that pelted them with rocks and slashed their fire hoses to ribbons to prevent them from extinguishing the blaze -- creating a State of Emergency that compelled the calling out of the National Guard to regain control. There were more riots, more violence, and finally, on May 4, that horrible tragedy, which launched greater waves of violence across the nation.

Today, we have peaceful assemblies of public discontent.

I'm firmly in the camp of keeping our national discourse civil, but if the volume is turned any lower, the sound will be off.
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Don't worry, Jodi.  I'm sure Obama will act to make sure the National Guard never opens fire on tea partiers.
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I am sure he won't, they most likely carry with them bigger guns. LOL
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I really don't think that ALL the hatred of the current administration is based on race. I think that if Obama were white and made the decisions he has made, people would be as irate with him as they are now.
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Nobody said it was all based on race. If Obama turned water into wine while finding a cure for cancer there would still be people that hated him because he is not a republican. We learned that from Bill Clinton. 
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Bill Clinton - millions of dollars spent trying to Impeach him because of where he was sticking his cigars, despite the fact the country prospered under his watch economically, socially, and internationally. 

George W. Bush - billions of dollars spent in Iraq for no reason, thousands of lives lost, and after his reign billions more spent trying desperately to repair the damage done to the economy. Pissed away the good will of an entire planet and left a crippled country fighting two wars with no end in sight. 

Barack Obama - restores faith in American Dream just by existing, tries to clear up economy (and does alright considering he's not even been in power a year and half and things aren't catastrophically unstable as they were 12 months ago), pushes hard for tax cuts for the majority of Americans and Health Care for everyone...

And the MIDDLE GUY is the one the tea baggers all love. Maybe because he's as stupid as they are?
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Brad,

While I don't disagree entirely with your analysis -- although it does give me pause that such an ethical defense of Bill Clinton gives rise to a similar defense for Richard Nixon -- it's safe to say the "Let the good times roll!" attitude to the economy continued unabated during the Clinton era. Regulations continued to be relaxed, businesses continued down the path of growing "too big to fail" and our economy became one concerned more of speculative bubbles than the real generation of lasting wealth. Presidents are captives of the winds of fate, and Clinton was the beneficiary of many fortuitous and favorable conditions, both political and economic.

Still, I have little doubt that history will record Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43 as communally deficient while America slept in the 1990s. Ruby Ridge and Waco culminated in Oklahoma City, and thus domestic, homegrown rightwing terrorism ascended into primacy. Conversely, the first attempt on the World Trade Center in 1993 did not generate a similar wariness of radical Islam, which continued to grow in boldness throughout the 1990s.

I can certainly understand the dynamic. Gun nuts and rightwing extremists are an easier target. We speak the same language. They live a lot closer to home. We have plenty of special agents who can put on a baseball cap, talk with a drawl and pass themselves off as one of the faithful.

Conversely, not too many guys in ATF or FBI knew then -- and, sadly, know today -- how to point their prayer rug toward Mecca five times a day.

And thus, perhaps, the continued fascination, fear and fixation with the Tea Party Movement. You don't need Pocket Farsi to learn how to chant "Cut Taxes" as you infiltrate the fifth column that endangers the state.


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If Obama turned water into wine while finding a cure for cancer there would still be people that hated him because he is not a republican.

If Obama turned water into wine, he'd anger his supportive big dollar vintners in Marin/Napa/Sonoma wine country. And curing cancer would irritate Big Pharma and cut-off the flow of those campaign dollars. No chance of either happening.

Now, perhaps, chasing the money changers and dove sellers out of the temple? After all, given the perils of our almost totally consumer-driven culture, who wouldn't like a President, whip in hand, to shout -- with one minor amendment by me -- at the assembled throng "Get these out of here! Do not make My (Founding) Father's house a house of merchandise!"
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"And the MIDDLE GUY is the one the tea baggers all love. "

I've noted the tea partiers dissatisfaction with the present course of government; I've seen no evidence that they were or are particularly enamored with "the MIDDLE GUY."
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