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Jason Mark Hickok
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I have gone over this before when it comes to Presidents they can be directly analyzed as professional coaches are. They get too much credit when things are going well and too much blame when things aren't.
President Clinton is one of the ones I say always gets too much credit.
President Obama is getting too much blame since things are not turning around as fast as people were expecting.
I am not going to say one President is better or worse then another since there are a million factors to go into whether one is a "success" or "failure". I would write a whole 1000 words on this but a lot of it has been covered.
Just for me you have to not only look at the time that a President was in office but also the 4-8 years before and after to see how policies in place and were put into place worked or affected the Country.
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Mike O'Brien
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yet they voted for him, Robert, and they didn't start their little protests till he left office, so...I feel it's not out of line to suggest that their new lip service they give to saying they didn't like it when Bush did it either is just that: Lip Service. If they had put their money where their mouths were at any single point between 2000 and 2008, I'd give it a second thought, but sicne they did't, I don't.
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Brett Wilson
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Reagan is another one that gets too much credit for economic success.
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Jodi Moisan
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I don't know about anyone else but in our primaries the tea party candidates lost BIG TIME, Scott Brown was supposed to be the sign the tea party guys had clout. This just shows the dem ran a horrible campaign for Kennedy's seat, Brown is a middle of the road guy people can relate to and he looks good naked. :0)
The big senate race here since Bayh stepped down was supposed to be a slam dunk for the tea party candidate. Because Dan Coats was running and he hasn't even been living in Indiana and he's been working as a lobbyist for the past 12 years. He slammed dunked the repub primary. The tea party guy had a horrible showing. But if Coats wins, they'll all crow they were the ones that did that.
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Jason Mark Hickok
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| Posted: 06 May 2010 at 12:32pm | IP Logged | 5
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Evan Bayh is as much a part of Indiana politics as anyone. He retiring or going to try and move on to bigger things?
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Kevin Hagerman
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Coats called "Obamacare" a power grab. So yeah, he's a fucking idiot.
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Al Cook
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What did Jackets call it?
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Jodi Moisan
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Yep he said he hated the tone of washington now, after the block voting by the republicans he said it had turned too toxic. Which pissed me off, he didn't stay and fight to change that. To me he pussed out. But who knows what toll it was taking on him. What sucked is, he quit like 2 weeks before the end of filing for running. Didn't give a lot of people a chance to throw their hats in the ring.
But that may also been the plan, there is a guy running and he is a pretty good guy, maybe waiting until the last moment kept everyone else from running so this guy didn't have to spend anything much in the primary. He can now use all his money in the fall against Coats.
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Windbreaker said it was going to kill babies.
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Kevin I don't know about you but the commercials in that race were getting so far out there. Any minute I thought one of them was going to say "Pelosi eats babies, seriously I have seen her eat babies."
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Matthew McCallum
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Meanwhile, Down-filled said the Democrats were featherbedding their nest...
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Kevin Hagerman
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I would like to say something nice about the Arizona immigration law. From what I have seen, they didn't water it down. It's not compromised, it's not laden with exceptions and niceties and concessions to get one goddamn vote from the opposition party so that you can slap a coat of cheap Bi-Partisan Paint on it and parade it around. The thing is what it is; it's naked and extreme and that will ultimately be a good thing. Whether you're for it or against it, you gotta admit the people who wrote it didn't pussy out. Sometimes that's the only way to really change something. You either do a 180 and it works, or you do a 180 and then you see it doesn't work and you can (hopefully) vanish it into the cornfield. When the results start coming in from Health care Reform, a lot of people are going to use them as justification, and start crowing that "government health care doesn't work", even if they know what we got is far from government health care. And everything's so muddy it's going to take real dedication to set the facts straight.
Edited by Kevin Hagerman on 06 May 2010 at 8:22pm
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