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Mike O'Brien
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Posted: 06 May 2010 at 1:34pm | IP Logged | 1  

One fun observation about this week's Primary races is that most people sat it out and those that won were mostly incumbents, and no action from the Tea Party.

Ha ha.. how's that inciting distrust of government institutions (like voting) working out for you?

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The main thing I see this Arizona bill accomplishing is causing cops to be murdered. You hear about it with people with two strikes against them. They get pulled over for a routine traffic stop, panic and murder the cop who was just telling them their turn signal is out. Arizona is now trying to manufacture these types of incidents.

Okay, let's think about the scenario you just described.

A cop pulls over a person with a broken tail light and is gunned down by an illegal immigrant.

So ask yourself why this person who is just "trying to catch a break and improve their lot in life" would be packing a deadly weapon and be violent enough to use it to commit a cold blooded murder.

Or maybe.. just maybe, this person is armed and dangerous for a reason. Last time I checked, there was a rather large drug war going on in Mexico to the point where Mexican drug cartels have adopted terrorist methods of kidnapping and beheading people. The Arizona government and residents of these border areas have fears that this violence will trickle over the border and into their state.  These are VALID fears and maybe you should consider what it's like to actually live there before you climb up on your moral high horse and cast a net of racism over everyone who supports laws that are supposed to help keep them safe.  

How about stepping back, putting the race card back in your pocket, taking the whitey-against-the-world blinders off your eyes and looking at the whole situation rather than simply cherry picking the parts that allow you to take the oh-so-trendy position of being outraged on behalf of others?


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Illegal does not  = wrong. I need someone to show me how someone is being actively harmed before I support something.

So if your little scenario of cops being murdered by illegals comes to pass, am I to take it that you will then support the law?

 

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Posted: 06 May 2010 at 8:16pm | IP Logged | 3  

Nope

Blood will be on the state of Arizona. They wanted to make the situation toxic and they can deal with it.

As it is im busy trying to make sure Tim James does not become governor of my state. So ATM I could give a fuck about another state.


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Allow me to bitch about the what I heard on the Right Wing Radio today:

The War on the Day of Prayer: First - this was on multiple shows and the jist of the story is this - we have a "national day of prayer" in America that was established by some of the Founding Fathers. Today is said day. (Pray much, sinners?) The Freedom From Religion Organization filed a suit and a judge in Wisconsin ruled in their favor, saying it is unconstitutional. The radio went NUTS over this. They were using words like "attack" and "war" and "fighting" in feverish discussion over protecting their National Day of Prayer.

So... using "war" and "attack" and "fighting" to defend their right to force prayer upon those who don't believe.

While in the same breath, bitching about "Islamofascists".

That right there? You saw what they did there, right?

But then the second point - if you are a believer, isn't EVERY GOD-DAMNED DAY a day of prayer for you? You don't pray on May 5th? Or May 7th?

Wake me up when all the Christofacists fall off the earth, please.

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Yeah its not like anybody is rushing in and stopping anybody from praying. Hell I use to pray in school all the time. 
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Yeah, Brandon, there's no such thing as a VALID fear, chum.

There are people in THIS country who will shoot you or cut your head off.

Justify it all you want, but it still stinks on ice.

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Mike  - Why do you listen to that right wing nonsense?  It is going to take years off of your life.  =P
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"How about stepping back, putting the race card back in your pocket, taking the whitey-against-the-world blinders off your eyes and looking at the whole situation rather than simply cherry picking the parts that allow you to take the oh-so-trendy position of being outraged on behalf of others?"

Well the guy that tried to blow up the car in Times square looked a certain way, I think we need to card all people that looked like him. And Timothy McVeigh was a tall, skinny white guy, I think we should start carding all of those kind of guys. And the guy that flew his plane into the IRS building in Texas, he wore glasses and looked sort of nerdy, so let's start carding those guys too.

"THEY CAME FIRST for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

THEN THEY CAME for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

THEN THEY CAME for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

THEN THEY CAME for me
and by that time no one was left to speak up."


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Jason - I have to drive a lot for my job, and I like hearing people talk on the radio - but where I live, there are three talk options, and all are right wing.

There is NPR, as well, but that's less talking and more whispering, mixed in with old-timey music to lull one to sleep, so I don't really count that. Every so often I get lucky with NPR and get a show that isn't a snoozefest, but.. basically, I miss San Francisco Radio - we had KGO - which was talk, but it had a grand mix of different styles and themes - you got a little of everything - a really balanced plate of info. SF also had one of the few actual "left wing" radio stations - like a phoenix from the ashes of the failed Air America station, we got "Green 960", and that was ok - though sometimes they were just as annoying as some of the right wing ones. (Like Mike Malloy? Even though I agree with him, his screaching drove me nuts!) (And Randi Rhodes? Loved her voice, her passion, and her ideas but some of her rants made me uncomfortable.) We did have a fun talk station briefly - I love fun talk on the radio - Stern, Opie and Anthony, Armstrong and Getty, The Grey Area, Adam Corolla, etc - those shows, even when they lean right, are based on fart and dick jokes and that's ok. It's a laugh. It's casual. Whatever. But that died in SF, so... another loss. And it's long gone here where I live now. Oddly, for such a liberal town, SF had two Right Wing talk stations - and was the home of Michael Savage, so... you know. Whereever you go in America, if you turn on a radio, you're likely to hit some lunatic rant, barking about how put-upon white christians are.

I like the talk - music radio means nothing to me. NPR is boring. Maybe I need to invest in Satellite radio? That has good options of all kinds. Comedy, left and right talk, etc. Hm...

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Jodi - to piggy back on to the quote you quoted from above - this one: "How about stepping back, putting the race card back in your pocket, taking the whitey-against-the-world blinders off your eyes and looking at the whole situation rather than simply cherry picking the parts that allow you to take the oh-so-trendy position of being outraged on behalf of others?"

Here's the big issue that some just can't see - it's not that it's trendy to be concerned on behalf of non-whites, or women or homosexuals or non-Christians - it's that they are in the minority, and are exactly the ones that need the concern.

Straight White Male Christians are in the majoity in America. They hold the power. No one need to worry abou them. They're doing just fine. It's everyone else who we need to concern ourselves with.

When the day comes that the Straight White Christian Male becomes the minority, becomes the oppresssed, becomes the underdog? On that day, I'll start worrying about him. Till then? That guy doesn't need my concern.

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Oh, and oddly? I still get KGO where I live now - the reception is iffy - but I get it. But they have had some line-up changes in the last few years, and I'm not really excited about any of their current hosts. I mean, Ray Taliafaro is still rockin' it in the middle of the night, but I'm never up then anymore. Other than him, it's kind of boring on the ol' KGO.
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Just thought I would throw out a quote I just read from Matt Reed.  Put it into whatever argument you want, and I will still agree with what Matt said. 

"Because it's the law.  If a person or company feels that it's wrong or a bad law, then fight to change it.  What it doesn't empower one to do is to break the law..."
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