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Mike O'Brien
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Oh, and this post is to help Jodi. You're welcome!
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Mike O'Brien
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Erm, I mean, you're welcome!
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Matthew McCallum
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Just think: If Al is wearing his hockey skates when delivering those attitude adjustments, one can receive both a change of mind and a vasectomy in just one treatment.
Of course, should such a cure be offered me, in return, I might have to ask my wife to prescribe him a Victoriaville enema...
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Rich Rice
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Seriously Mike B., how does one come up with this obsession about Insurance companies losing money when they've just been handed 30 million new customers.... Lobbied away single payer and the public option... beat back changes to Interstate Regulations and a host of other "socialist" reforms.... Given 4 years of grace to continue outrageous practices... while presently raising rates far beyond the scope of inflation -in a recessionary period- while MAKING profits (during said recession).
Do not shed tears for State Farm. They shed none for thee.
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Mike Benson
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Way to completely misrepresent what I've said Rich. At no time did I "shed a tear" for anyone. My point is and will remain that placing blame for the current situation solely on insurance companies is inaccurate. But, hey, look how far inaccurate and emotional rhetoric have gotten us. In fact, I think you should run for office.
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Mike Benson
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A hitman is also just making money, isn't he? And just because something is legal doesn't mean it's not inncorrect - slavery was legal for a few hundred years. ********** For someone who bemoaned "straw man arguments," you certainly make good use of them yourself when the occasion requires.
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Mike O'Brien
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You're not real clear on what a strawman is, are you?
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Mike Benson
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Back at you. "An argument or opponent set up so as to be easily refuted or defeated." Hard to argue that hitmen and slavery are a good thing, ain't it? We're talking about neither slavery nor hitmen, but you introduce them to the argument as if there is an understood parallel. Slavery was legal once, but it was bad. Insurance is legal now, it must be bad. Textbook strawman, I'm afraid. Unless, of course, you expected me to defend slavery and assassination?
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Matthew McCallum
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Hold on, Mike B. Don't dismiss those ideas too quickly because Mike O'B might be on to something here.
Given a number of the pressing social problems we face -- unemployment, homelessness, unwanted pregnancies -- and the rising cost to government in addressing them, slavery and assassination just might be the answer. It's certainly done wonders for the Chinese economy...
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Mike O'Brien
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No, I still think you're missing it.If I say we need a program to provide health care and
someone says we can't have it because some made-up
imaginary person broke some rule, that's different than me
using examples of real institutions (slavery) to illustrate a
point, or showing a comparison of one type to make my
point clear (making money from human misery is wrong,
legal or not, hitman or health care denier).
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Matthew McCallum
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If I can distill what Mike O'B is saying down to a rather simple maxim: "There are some things that are immoral but legal, and some things that are moral but illegal. Remember that always."
It's a nice turn of phrase, but sadly, not mine. Former FBI Agent G. Gordon Liddy wrote it in Will as a justification for his activities during the Nixon years... As for profiting from human misery, most of the health insurance companies are publicly traded. Anybody here got a 401K, a mutual fund or an education fund that is invested in stocks? Has everyone concerned about insurance company profits reviewed their portfolio recently to ensure that buried somewhere amongst your holdings is nary a health insurance company?
Edited by Matthew McCallum on 30 March 2010 at 11:33am
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Mike O'Brien
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Nope. I make no profits from investing in insurance. I do, however,
work for doctors.
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