Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login
The John Byrne Forum
Byrne Robotics > The John Byrne Forum << Prev Page of 170 Next >>
Topic: Healthcare Debate (was: Quesada apologizes) (Topic Closed Topic Closed) Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message
Matthew McCallum
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 July 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 2710
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 1  

Mike,

Speaking of working for doctors and no profits, Lynn just got her letter from the Feds announcing the 21 percent cut in Medicare reimbursements. They are not wasting any time, are they?

Back to Top profile | search
 
Michael Retour
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 932
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 12:31pm | IP Logged | 2  

LOL Obama has the knives out for Medicare patients. 
Back to Top profile | search
 
Mike O'Brien
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar
Official JB Historian

Joined: 18 April 2004
Location: United States
Posts: 10927
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 12:44pm | IP Logged | 3  

Yeah, there's an easy fix for that, Matthew.

It's one that's been used for years.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Kevin Brown
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 9165
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 1:03pm | IP Logged | 4  

Re: The medicare cuts.

My mother-in-law spent 1 more day in the hospital 5 months ago than I did 2+ years ago.

Now then, I was in for surgery in which I had a disc pressed up against my spinal cord.  I ended up have C5 & C6 fused and the disc removed.  My surgery lasted 4 hours.  I spent the night in the hospital before going home.  I spent 28 hours total in the hospital.

My mother-in-law was only in to check her heart.  No surgery.  Nothing more than a couple of tests run.  She had no IV drip, no medicine given to her other than what she brought from home.  She spent 2 nights in the hospital, about 42 hours total.

Medicare was charged $1,700 LESS than what it cost for me by going through Blue Cross/Blue Shield of Illinois.

The problem is not Medicare.  It's what the hospitals charge to Medicare.  Now they won't get away with over charging any more.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Kevin Brown
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: United States
Posts: 9165
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 1:10pm | IP Logged | 5  

Ten way the new healthcare law may affect you.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Michael Retour
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 932
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 2:29pm | IP Logged | 6  

Ha Kevin yeah that is one spin on it.  Thanks!
Back to Top profile | search
 
Rich Rice
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 08 April 2008
Posts: 195
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 7  

No Mike you got that  wrong.






I should run a TEA PARTY.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Matthew McCallum
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 03 July 2004
Location: Canada
Posts: 2710
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 3:01pm | IP Logged | 8  

Kevin,

Hospitals and Doctors are two very different animals. I cannot speak for hospital practices, but I know about the MDs because my wife is a family physician.

Under Medicare, the government sets the fee at what doctors will be reimbursed for providing services, and that fee is now being reduced 21 percent from the current level. This new fee is LESS than the cost of providing the service (eg. it costs more to purchase the vaccine than the government will reimburse you for giving the shot).

More to the point, the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (a left wing group) released a report last week detailing Medicare savings will help reduce the deficit. Here's a link to the report: http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3134

I draw your attention to this paragraph from that link (bold emphasis mine):

"The one significant exception to this pattern of Medicare savings taking effect (in the past) is what happened to the badly designed “sustainable growth rate” (SGR) formula, which set payments to physicians and was enacted as part of the 1997 Balanced Budget Act. Contrary to common misconceptions, the SGR provision was originally expected to produce only a small amount of savings — less than 5 percent of the total Medicare savings in the Balanced Budget Act, or only $12 billion over ten years. The SGR formula was subsequently blocked by Congress when it turned out that it would have had the unintended effect of cutting payments well below doctors’ actual costs of providing services. And even though Congress has not allowed the full cuts required under the SGR formula to take effect, it has still cut the physician reimbursement rate substantially: the current reimbursement rate in 2010 is 17 percent below the rate for 2001, adjusted for medical care inflation."

In short, the new 21 percent cut in Medicare reimbursement enacts the rates that were previously deferred by Congress. These new cuts on top of the previous cuts means everytime a doctor provides primary care to a Medicare patient they are losing money.

Mike O'Brien earlier in this very long thread stated that all here agreed that doctors should make a profit, and that Healthcare reform was only about sticking it to the insurance companies. As I predicted (from reading the legislation), here is the evidence that about $300 billion of the $500 billion on costs savings to pay for the Medicare Act are coming through reductions in fees for services in primary care.

Back to Top profile | search
 
Rich Rice
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 08 April 2008
Posts: 195
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 3:19pm | IP Logged | 9  

And to amend my comments, by what rationale would one cling to the idea that the Insurance Industry has been vilified by this legislation (Talk about emotional rhetoric...) when the Industry has just been handed 30 million new customers.... No change in regulations regarding monopolies, Interstate regulations.... No competition from Government plans... 4 year grace period from reforms.... and few price restraints going forward?

As for over the top, emotional I suggest you give Fox News ("Armageddon! Death Panels! Communism! The end of America as we know it!") and the Republican Party (Armageddon! Death Panels! Communism! The end of America as we know it!") a call. This entire process of reform should have been a calm, dry, matter of fact examination of legalize and number crunching in the name of putting AMERICA first. Instead, people wanted to play gamesmanship and see the President fail. With inflamed rhetoric as the primary means of doing so.

Your point may have been reform should be broader than Insurance reform. But your delivery of that point was in the 'right' to make profit. And its that point that I went after. I agree, health care reform should be broader. But Insurance was such a major, egregious piece of that puzzle, it was the perfect place to start.

This bill is not perfect. The need for other reforms remain. All that was done should be step 1 in an ongoing process of moving towards a better society. This bill does not make for a perfect world, but when I last looked out the window this morning, I did not see Armageddon...

Or big Insurance losing its power to make profit.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Michael Retour
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 932
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 4:49pm | IP Logged | 10  

I doubt any calm dry talk will occur when it means life and death for people.

I totally believe this bill means rationing, more death. 
Back to Top profile | search
 
Al Cook
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 21 December 2004
Posts: 12735
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 4:55pm | IP Logged | 11  

Then you are a paranoid idiot.
Back to Top profile | search
 
Michael Retour
Byrne Robotics Member
Avatar

Joined: 27 May 2006
Posts: 932
Posted: 30 March 2010 at 4:57pm | IP Logged | 12  

Yeah okay Al.  Sure thing.  Except I am not a Republican, not a Tea Bagger, etc.

Obama is one slimy Wall St. stooge but I am just paranoid. 
Back to Top profile | search
 

<< Prev Page of 170 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

 Active Topics | Member List | Search | Help | Register | Login