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Michael Huber
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And at what point does it become tiresome picking on the less fortunate? Certainly not yet.
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Deathcare is a great name for a band. 
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Hospitals and Doctors are two very different animals. I cannot speak for hospital practices, but I know about the MDs because my wife is a family physician.

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Matthew, I didn't copy and past your entire comment, but I will respond nonetheless.

My mother in law and I were in the same hospital.  Same billing procedures.  Yes, different doctors, but I had surgery that a neurosurgeon performed.  So it astounds me that my bill was only $1,700 more.

And believe me, there is no way I'll ever believe a doctor is losing money when dealing with Medicare.  No way, no how.  They may make far less, but not lose money.   Especially when I get charged $5 for 1 Tylenol.  (Not kidding.)

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Usually it's the hospital that charges $5 for a tylenol. And while we're into insurance reform, who's going to take on the malpractice insurance industry? Oh, wait, there hasn't been any insurance reform yet.
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Obama would never take on the insurance companies.  This bill is a sick joke.  I saw a poster with a mustache on Obama and it rang true to me.
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Usually it's the hospital that charges $5 for a tylenol.

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You're 100% correct.  And the blll goes to the insurance company who then has to pay for it.

People really need to get an item by item break down of their bills when they go to the hospital, they would be SHOCKED.

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Kevin,

I don't know the full details of your situation so I cannot comment intelligently upon it one way or the other. And, if you forgive my bluntness, what you may believe -- and what I believe for that matter -- is completely irrelevant. I can only deal in the facts with which I am most familiar, and present them in a clear and dispassionate manner.

I do know the situation in my wife's practice. I know the cost of vaccines. I know the cost of her needles. I know the cost of her time, her rent, her utilities, her staff. And I can compute the time her biller will invest to recoup that Medicare charge with all the back-and-forth and delays in payment.

Sticking with a vaccination scenario, I know that the Medicare reimbursement for that procedure, less 21 percent, is now less than the cost of the vaccine. Think about that for a moment: the Medicare reimbursement for that shot she gives to her patient doesn't cover the cost of the vaccine, let along the cost of the needle, or her time, or any of the overhead. Again, I'm not asking for your belief. I am asking you to recognize cold, hard facts.

Further, when you consider that many insurers pay based on a factor of Medicare reimbursement -- the Medicare base rate plus x -- then the lowering of Medicare reimbursement rates inevitably leads to a reduction in other reimbursement rates from various carriers, all the while other costs continue to increase, reducing her margins. As those margins are thin to begin with, and one would like to avoid firing staff in a poor economy, the only option is to add more patients (preferably non-Medicare) to the daily schedule which means my wife working longer hours, or spending less time with each patient.

Neither is a particularly optimal solution.
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Deathcare would also be a great name for a tag team of evil nurses. 
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Ok, Matthew, you want to talk cold, hard facts?

Then make an itemized list here for all of us of exactly what your wife's finances are - what she puts out and takes in.

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Talk to our elders? Heck, I say its our elders who need taking out behind the woodshed for a good old fashioned *** beating. It's our elder's who left the mess we are presently in. Look at the world they handed us. Just a pile of ****. If not the Vietnam fiasco, then the McCarthy era, if not that WW 1 and 2. Their parents left future parents left future parents wars, slavery, bigotry, sexism, injustice upon injustice. Name a year humans haven't been trying to fix this 'massive mess we're in." The best part about the good old days is they're over.

I am reminded of that British fellow who posted here complaining that Muslims had taken over his shopping mall. I say someone should jump in a hot tub time machine and slap some since into King (pick a number) Henry. See, when Henry got the notion to send ships half way around the world to India and start all that Colonizing b.s.... Joe would jump off the hot tub time machine, slap the boy across the head and say, "Dood. Don't do that. You do that and in 2010, Muslims will over overrun our shopping malls."

Just look at the mess we're about to leave future parents... Why would those people want to talk to us? They will be too busy trying to fix the massive mess they're in.




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Speaking of elders - don't know if you saw it, or if it's your cup of tea, Rich, but on Micahel Moore's new DVD, in the bonus features, there's a clip of him talking to Congressman Elijah Cummings, who gives a pretty amazing chat about how the future is in the hands of the youth.

Cummings is a hell of a man.

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Then make an itemized list here for all of us of exactly what your wife's finances are - what she puts out and takes in.

Do you want us to swap tax returns?

And forgive my provincialism, but as a gentleman I'm not entirely keen on the terms "your wife" and "she puts out" being in the same sentence. Perhaps we could use "revenues and expenses" instead?
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