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Ted Pugliese
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I bought the new DP series for the Metal men and just quit when their back-up ended. Any chance of staying was ruined by the way they explained who and what Negative Man is/was.
JB's fresh start was a much better idea than Giffen's version of DiDio/Morrison's everything happened.
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Glenn Brenner
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I pretty much felt the same way, Wallace. I barely made it through the first issue, actually. I've liked all of the incarnations of the DP over the years, up until now. I also find it interesting how Morrison's run get's panned for being too weird, when at the same time, Arnold Drake endorsed his run as being the only one that captioned the true intentions of his stories. Anyway, I really enjoyed JB's Doom Patrol and wished it could have been around for a very long time.
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Bobby Beem
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How did they explain what the Negative Man is/was?
Edited by Bobby Beem on 28 February 2010 at 11:29pm
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Arc Carlton
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I haven't read the new Doom Patrol. I don't have enough interest in DC these days.
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Andrew Hess
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Too bad they haven't published a Doom Patrol series since JB's title ended.
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Michael Arndt
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Just wondering if anyone has picked up Showcase Presents: The Doom Patrol.
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Michael Roberts
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How did they explain what the Negative Man is/was?
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After the explosion, Negative Man has been a series of brain-dead bodies genetically infused with Larry Trainor's DNA by the Chief to coax the negative energy being into them. "Larry Trainor" is the negative energy being with Trainor's memories and personality.
Granted, all of this comes from an off-kilter Negative Man, and it's hinted throughout the story that he is an unreliable narrator.
Edited by Michael Roberts on 01 March 2010 at 12:26pm
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Andrew Hess
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Yep, I have the Showcase and 1-4 of the Archives. The Drake/Premiani stories are brilliant. Even when they "jumped the shark" with Beast Boy and "I married Mentallo", it is heads above most comics. Compare it to almost anything else coming out of DC (and even most of Marvel) at the time and the mind boggles.
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Michael Arndt
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Thanks, Andrew. Thought about picking up volume 1 of the Showcase. Also, saw that a volume 2 is being solicited on Amazon.
Edited by Michael Arndt on 01 March 2010 at 1:02pm
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Ed Love
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I could never figure out Drake's endorsement of Morrison's DP as Morrison completely undercut the whole point of the DP with the Chief going from altruistic benefactor and saving force to pyschopathic manipulating bastard. To say the DP was always about being weird is reading the DP without reading any other DC comic at the time, where the Flash has weirder adventures and foes on a monthly basis such as being turned into a puppet and a whole society of intelligent gorillas or the JLA rowing a boat through space. What set the DP apart wasn't weirdness, but normalcy, where the characters had well rounded personalities, powers that came with a cost, motivations of searching to fit in and belong despite their differences and handicaps. If Drake was going for weirdness, then he actually failed and somehow Morrison got to the "right" conclusion through flawed reasoning. All I can figure is that Drake's memories of the DP are heavily influenced by his own personal history of the last several decades or that he is seeing something else in Morrison's take and sees a kindred spirit today in regards of the two men as artists and creators and really has nothing to do with the actual characters and Doom Patrol that he wrote. This version just speaks to him as a writer and creator and something he wishes he could have written or created as opposed to any real fidelity to his creation. In either case, it means that his endorsement doesn't give Morrison a free pass for his complete dismantling and destruction of the characters and concepts (just as because it was wildly creative and clever in many ways doesn't excuse it for all the bad that it also did).
I think the idea of every version happening was Geoff Johns not Giffen, it's just Giffen running with the ball he was thrown. Similar ideas have popped up in Morrison's Batman and the JSA having memories of both their Earth-2 lives and new lives. Doesn't make any sense in regards to the Doom Patrol, if they have these memories and remember everything the Chief did and that's the personality that is dominant, why stay with him? I'd sooner believe that one of them would have killed him by now, making him pay for the various crimes against them not to mention his cold-blooded murder of Tempest aka Joshua Clay.
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Joe Zhang
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Perhaps Drake meant that Morrison's Doom Patrol was the series he wished he wrote. In the same way Stan Lee has said in numerous interviews that he couldn't believe that talented Hollywood people were making movies out of the stuff he came up with years ago. I think in both instances Drake and Lee were both being way too kind.
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Matthew McCallum
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Chad, I'm pretty much in complete agreement with you. In my younger days Doom Patrol was always my dream writing assignment among established characters because there is so much untapped potential there. In a perfect world, we could reboot the book back to Doom Patrol 122, or Showcase 96 and have some fun without having to deal with all the Vertigo baggage from the last 20 years.
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