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Ted Pugliese
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we could reboot the book back to Doom Patrol 122
I think I like that more than JB's fresh start, and that's saying something.
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Rick Whiting
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IIRC, Drake never made an official or public statement (in any interviews) that he was enjoying and/or endorsing Morrison's DP run. IIRC, the whole thing about Drake endorsing/loving Morrison's DP run came from Morrison himself, who said in an interview that he had heard (the key word here is "heard") from someone who worked at DC that Drake said Morrison's version of DP was what he (Drake) had envision the book being (or something like that). In other words, the whole thing about Drake endorsing or liking Morrison's DP run is based purely on hear say from a third party, and could have been a complete BS lie in order to gas Morrison's head up. Heck, IIRC, even Morrison himself has said that he doesn't even know if that story he heard was true or false. And didn't Drake say in an interview given during JB's run on the book, that he hasn't liked any of the versions of the DP that came after his run on the book?
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Monte Gruhlke
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I despised Morrison's run with Doom Patrol. It was essentially a completely different group in increasingly surreal settings using the name. Self-indulgent crud that should have been its own series under its own name. But no. It would be like me doing a run of the X-Men, starring several robotic fuzzy bears in space. Ooooh, we could call it "Monte Gruhlke's X-Men." You know, so people know.
If Morrison could somehow have told stories involving the familiar four icons of the Doom Patrol, I would have been less disappointed. But what we got was drek.
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Chad Carter
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Giffen has fallen under the spell of Grant Morrison. I'm sure any of us would. Morrison is a rock star. No one can deny it. I suspect if I spent any time in Morrison's presence, I too would want to live in his underwear.
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Simon Bucher-Jones
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If we're wildly guessing! It could be that Drake read *some* of Morrison's run and liked it: perhaps the bits before the Chief was revealed as a (mad) manipulative figure. I base this solely on the fact that *I* liked Morrison's run, up to the bits where the Chief was revealed as a (mad) manipulative figure. This would *if true* (a) preserve my good view of Drake, (b) preserve my good view of part of GM's Doom Patrol run, and (c) make me right for no reason but guessing, hooray! Simon BJ
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Arc Carlton
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I could never figure out Drake's endorsement of Morrison's DP as Morrison completely undercut the whole point of the DP with the Chief going from altruistic benefactor and saving force to pyschopathic manipulating bastard. __________________________ Is it impossible that Drake enjoyed Morrison's work? Besides, most writers change with time and sometimes say that their first works were still too naive or too simple.
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Bobby Beem
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IIRC, Drake never made an official or public statement (in any interviews) that he was enjoying and/or endorsing Morrison's DP run. IIRC, the whole thing about Drake endorsing/loving Morrison's DP run came from Morrison himself, who said in an interview that he had heard (the key word here is "heard") from someone who worked at DC that Drake said Morrison's version of DP was what he (Drake) had envision the book being (or something like that). *********************************************** You recall incorrectly. It was Rich Johnston that attributed those sentiments to Drake ("he believed only Grant Morrison ever saw in the team what he was trying to do"), after speaking to him at New York Comic Con 2007. You're still allowed to disbelieve or disagree, of course.
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Rick Whiting
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You recall incorrectly. It was Rich Johnston that attributed those sentiments to Drake ("he believed only Grant Morrison ever saw in the team what he was trying to do"), after speaking to him at New York Comic Con 2007. You're still allowed to disbelieve or disagree, of course._________________________ I recall reading those comments from an interview with Morison talking about his past work (including his New X-Men run).
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Ed Love
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Which is the part that doesn't make sense. While he might have liked what Morrison did, Morrison's take and interviews about the DP indicate that Morrison either didn't get what Drake actually did do or Drake's DP was a complete failure in communicating what he wanted. For Morrison's take and theme was a different shift and antithesis of what Drake's was with two very different worldviews. Drake's was about the humanity of the characters, finding value in themselves despite their flaws and handicaps. Morrison's was about the fact that the whole world is horribly flawed and handicapped and thus the characters should feel lucky they are as normal as they are. Thus, one is about finding a way to be a part in the world as individuals and a family and the other as finding a place where they can happily be apart and protected from that world. If Morrison truly got what Drake intended, it was completely by accident since it doesn't match up in the context of the comics themselves.
I think there was a lot of cool stuff in Morrison's run and a lot of value. But, it's undercut by it being a continuity book with established characters and by the book's end, the only character easily salvageable being Larry Trainor. Even Cliff Steele is killed, what being left is a copy (a concept that I found at least one fan found impossible to comprehend, insisting that Steele is thus not dead, taking the stance that the downloaded copy of Steele's personality equated to his being the same Robotman as the original, seeming to think that two largely identical items are thus the same and one item and not two separate items with identical properties. By his logic, if his wife gave birth to twins, he could conceivably just kill one and it not be murder as they are really the same person by his viewpoint.).
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Joakim Jahlmar
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Andrew H. wrote:
"Too bad they haven't published a Doom Patrol series since JB's title ended."
Not counting the newest one then?
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Jason Schulman
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I met Drake at an NYC Con about a year before he died. I asked him which of the recent iterations of the DP he liked best. He said that Grant Morrison "got it" the best. So, yes, it's true, Drake liked Morrison's run, it's not a mere rumor.
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Matthew McCallum
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Now we can start over and claim that Drake thought Morrison completely ruined his version of the X-Men...
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