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Peter Martin
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

He should leave on Biden's inauguration day, Philippe, which is 20 January 2021.

The details are in the 20th amendment to the US Constitution. This dictates that Trump's term ends at noon on the 20th January.
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:07pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

The president leaves office—either thru failure to win re-election, or by having served two terms—at noon on January 20th, the inauguration of the new POTUS. That happens whether Trump concedes or not.
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:16pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

The point of declaring victory now is to give the president elect a chance to get started. Quite honestly, I feel that we can't afford to lose a moment. He has already started performing some presidential actions... but having the support of Congress and SCOTUS would be a big help.
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:17pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Thanks for both replies. I wonder if he still refuses to leave then...
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Eric Sofer
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:19pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

In that case, some very nice gentlemen with uniforms, badges, and guns escort him off the property, in whatever state he is in. Conscious, unconscious, shot - it's still "Goodbye, farewell, auf vedasane, adieu."
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 6 post reply

Yeah, as far as the Secret Service is concerned, it becomes the end of ROBOCOP.
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Kevin Brown
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:36pm | IP Logged | 7 post reply

And "thank you" to John Wickett to turning a congratulatory thread into a shitshow of lies.  Welcome to the ignore list. 
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | 8 post reply

I believe it was TRUMP, who, on the night votes were being
counted, gave a delivery saying that he had won the
election.

Biden waited until enough states had been called that
showed he had won.

He didn't need to wait until December.

Don't blame Biden for the crap show Trump is creating,
continuing and feeding you. for God's sake grow a brain.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 2:06pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

 John Wickett wrote:
They are both at fault, along with conservative media pundits who are pushing left wing conspiracy theories, and left-wing journalists who suggest that a coup is underway.
No, they are not both at fault.  Trump is the one who is violating norms and ignoring standards.  Your premise seems to be that everyone around Trump is required to adjust their behavior to accommodate Trump's lack of respect for boundaries or institutions.  That makes no sense.  It is the very definition of enabling.  The notion that because Trump behaves differently, people must walk on eggshells and be held to a higher standards of behavior in relation to him, is ridiculous.

Biden's purpose in declaring victory is to project faith and confidence in the electoral system.  If he were to say "let's wait until all the votes are officially certified" it would give credence to Trump's baseless claims of fraud and improprieties.  It would affirm uncertainty when there is NO UNCERTAINTY WHATSOEVER about who is the electoral winner.  It is the job of the president to reinforce confidence in our shared institutions and values, and that is what Biden is doing.  This is a particularly important task when Trump is working to do the exact opposite. 

Saying both sides are to blame is like saying both Trump and Biden are to blame for the rancorous, uncivil qualities of the first debate. 




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Brian Miller
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

We're in the middle of a pandemic, most states are moving to mail-in
ballots (that have to be manually sorted) for the first time, and there
were widespread expectations that the postal service could experience
problems handling the volume of ballots.

*******

Of course those expectations are there. The President himself did
everything he could to make sure the postal service COULDN'T handle
the excessive volume.
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Posted: 13 November 2020 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

There never seems to be a shortage of Trump supporters making suggestions on how other people could/would/should have behaved better, but we never hear them make suggestions on how Captain Orange behaves. I guess they are just fine with ignoring when foreign nations put bounties on US soldiers. 

January 20th can’t get here fast enough. 


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John Wickett, it is NOT the left who are pushing conspiracy theories. Its Trump and the far right with the Antifa and QAnon crap, and the outright bullshit whining about `voter fraud'. GA just elected a QAnon conspiracy nut.

The problem is that the far right have turned into a bunch of authoritarian, conspiracy spouting psychos, who wrongly believe that they represent the majority of Americans. The fact that Trump lost as big as he did proves that is not the case.

Trump himself is such a narcissist that he has to make excuses for why people are not praising him and kissing his ass. The whole `voter fraud' thing is garbage. People have voted that way for ages, and even past Presidents have voted that way. Yes, there *is* fraud going on, but its a. on both sides. A man was arrested for trying to get an absentee ballot for his mother who died in 2015, and he was a Trump supporter. b. Its in such small numbers that it would make no difference. His whole `3,000,000 illegals and dead voted against him in 2016' tirade has been proven to be wrong. The man is as delusional as you can get. In some cases the `dead' people are people who actually died after voting, and news for him, that happens....and is perfectly legal.

The right are the ones pushing lies and hate. Most of the Hunter Biden stuff is made up crap, but lets just conveniently forget that Guiliani took $500,000 from those very same Ukranians, and that is a fact.

Trump didn't deserve a second term, and if he tries to run again (provided he's not in prison or hasn't fled the country) in the next election, he will probably have to do it as an Independent. I do not see the Republicans being stupid enough to let him run as one of them again. Instead of accepting defeat gracefully, he's acting like a man-baby AND a sore loser, and its doing him no favors. 

Biden is already acting more presidential than Trump ever has. He's putting together a COVID-19 advisory team, which is a good start. All Trump has done is blame Obama, threaten to pull out of the World Health Organization, and blast Dr. Fauci. It wasn't Obama who got rid of the Pandemic Emergency Response Team. It was Trump.Trump and the My Pillow Guy would not solve the COVID problem if they had 100 years to work on it.

Two things I've heard from Trump supporters: 

1. He tells the truth.

2. He can't be bought.

Yep, he tells the Truth. When says his name. Everything else tends to be either an insult, a backhanded complement, an exaggeration or an outright lie.

Yes, he can't be bought. But only because Russia doesn't want to sell him.





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