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Robert Bradley
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Posted: 25 May 2022 at 11:17pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Because people are voting for crackpots Charles.

Look at how some of them did in their primary elections this week.

Why the hell would anyone vote for Herschel Walker of Marjorie Taylor Greene?

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Posted: 25 May 2022 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply


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Is Steve Kerr right? Do 90% of Americans want extra controls over gun ownership? If so, why aren't you doing something about it?


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Cowards in Congress.

It's not cowardice, it's cynicism. 

People may tell pollsters that they support sensible controls over gun ownership, but they do not vote based on those beliefs.  This fall, a significant amount of people who ostensibly support gun control will vote for Republicans because they are unhappy about inflation and gas prices.  By contrast, the gun nuts tend to be single issue voters who will vote against someone who supports gun control regardless of any other factors.

Until the voters start punishing candidates for their support for completely unrestricted gun ownership, no one in Congress is going to do anything about the problem.
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Posted: 25 May 2022 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

I'm afraid Jason hit the nail on the head there.

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"So I asked them when the next time Bernie Sanders or AOC stand before you and asks for your support for Medicare for all and Universal Healthcare…so mental health services can be made WIDELY and EASILY available to the populace, we can expect their support and votes."

Unfortunately, its not that simple.  As has been pointed out by others in this thread, there are MANY overlapping problems contributing to this situation.

I am on the board of a non profit that provides mental health services to children in the Clark County School District, which comprises all of southern Nevada.  

We operate clinics onsite at 15 schools, and we have two off site clinics.  We will treat any child (and their family members) who are referred by the District.  If the child has health insurance or Medicaid, we will bill those entities, but there is no deductible or co-pay, so there is never an out of pocket cost to the patient.  If a patient does not have insurance, treatment is provided for free.

If it were up to the District, we would be at 300 schools.  The problem is there are not enough licensed clinicians (or clinical interns) in the state of Nevada to meet the community's needs.  That is true in many states.  

Consequently, if we had universal healthcare tomorrow, mental health care would still not be widely and easily available to everyone who needs it.

Personally, I don't think the mental health component of this problem can be solved by the government alone.  

There is a video on YouTube featuring Simon Sinek, talking about the challenge of managing millenials in the workplace.  I recommend that every parent and grandparent watch it.  Sinek very insightfully discusses the reasons why this generation is failing to develop the coping skills possessed by previous generations.
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:42am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

There is a video on YouTube featuring Simon Sinek, talking about the challenge of managing millenials in the workplace.  I recommend that every parent and grandparent watch it.  Sinek very insightfully discusses the reasons why this generation is failing to develop the coping skills possessed by previous generations.

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Millennials are in their 40s, and older folk are still trying to argue that they can't cope in the workplace. While I do think Gen Z and Millennials have issues with instant gratification, I think the issue is less that they lack coping skills and more that they are less in denial about the issues. I was just having a conversation with my mom about how some of the things that we consider child abuse today were normalized as regular parenting in her generation and how her generation was blind to the ways they inflicted trauma on their children and blind to their own trauma.
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 3:43am | IP Logged | 6 post reply


I'm more concerned about the coping skills of those police officers.


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Wouldn't want to 'politicize' without all the facts, so how about the fact the Abbot government allowed 18 year olds to legally acquire firearms based on them simply feeling a 'need'?

It was in the late '80s I had a letter in a U.S. publication arguing for a right for people to not feel a need to have to arm themselves, a right to not have to bear arms. I got ridiculed afterward for my pointing out that firearms are offensive and not defensive devices, but the fact remains that they are and an offensive device for defensive purpose is never going to be ideal. Now we have people presumably defining AR-15s with 30 round ammo clips as defensive? I looked at some pro gun junk online today, even quoting 'their' Jesus about how someone without a sword should sell their cloak to buy one. They've been sold a bill of goods in so many way and until they come around to seeing how they've been deliberately duped for an industry's profit at the expense of their loved ones actual safety it's not going to change, just be the divided and conquered us vs. them stupidity and road to nowhere.

Yes, they keep voting for the supposed conservatives, the traditionalists, the good people of faith, and they are being taken straight to the cleaners and an actual circle of hell! Ted Cruz will bugger off to his yacht while they freeze or cook and they still won't see it. A lot of Latino Catholics see Men of God with titles of community standing or business integrity where there are actually out and out con men using and abusing them.

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Die too soon while all the rest come late
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In a dream I had last night in America"


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Biden has a opportunity now to lead from the front.  He won't.  They never do.  Clinton didn't, Bush didn't, Obama (possibly worst of all with Sandy Hook) didn't, Trump didn't -- and Biden won't either. They all love the sound bites pretending to give a shit, but nothing comes of it.  Biden could sit as his desk tomorrow and sign any number of executive orders creating immediate change.  That's not to say these orders wouldn't be lawyered away in the months and years to come -- but it could start a wave of change - it could start a real narrative that it's possible in America.

This is a hopelessly naive take. Any significant action would likely be immediately halted one of the conservative circuit courts and eventually be kicked up to a Supreme Court that is currently anti-gun control.


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I think the change needs to include entertainment.  Stop making movies and tv shows and video games and comic books etc using guns and gun violence as cool and entertaining.  After a generation hasn't been bombarded with the coolness of gun violence - perhaps the social narrative will have changed.

People are watching violent movies and TV shows worldwide. People are playing Call of Duty and Grand Theft Auto worldwide. Yet the US is the country having issues with gun violence. If entertainment is the same across the globe, but gun availability and attitude toward gun ownership is particular to the US, where do you think the issue actually lies?




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Ironic how you're already making excuses for Biden and nay-saying changes to violent forms of entertainment - clearly you think guns are cool and entertaining.

It's not just the gun-nuts stopping change.  Gun-nuts are more likely to sit and negotiate ways to keep as many guns as they can.  People who think serial killers are entertianing, watching people shoot each other and then have Jessica Fletcher solve the murder in 45 mins --these people need to re-think what they're willing to give up to change the group think.

Your mileage may vary

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

Ironic how you're already making excuses for Biden and nay-saying changes to violent forms of entertainment - clearly you think guns are cool and entertaining.

Japan, just to put an example, has BY FAR the most violent entertainment in the world and they have like, 8 murders a year or something.

But what is incredibly hard over there is getting your hands on a gun (even for the Yakuza).

The entertainment thing has been proven to be a non-issue over and over again and is only used by wannabe censors (quite cynically I might add) to distract from the real issues.


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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

A few decades ago, the Burt Reynolds movie FUZZ was shown on network TV for the first time. Among its several storylines was one about a couple of teenagers who were wandering around town, dousing homeless men with alcohol and setting them on fire.

The very next night there was a copycat incident in Boston, and certain segments of the population, mostly on the Left, seized upon the event to “prove” that violence in media led to violence in society. This quickly became a meme (as we would say today) despite psychologists across the country saying there was no evidence that media violence CREATED violence in the real world. A movie or TV show might suggest a METHOD, but the proclivity toward violence had to already exist.

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 1:13pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply


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 Ironic how you're already making excuses for Biden and nay-saying changes to violent forms of entertainment - clearly you think guns are cool and entertaining.

I fucking hate guns and had a friend murdered because there was a gun in her house. But thanks for displaying your fallacious arguments and lack of critical thinking. 

Why don’t you answer the question posed? The popularity of violent entertainment is a worldwide phenomenon, so why is America’s gun violence not a worldwide phenomenon?
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I’ll also point out that the consumers of true crime content are disproportionately female, so if finding serial killers entertaining is a cause of gun violence, why aren’t there more female active shooters? Or female serial killers for that matter?

Perhaps because there’s no causal relationship between violent entertainment and gun violence? That couldn’t be it. 
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