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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 1:48pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

“Mental health” and media violence are just scapegoats for the actual problem: easy access to guns. 
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:00pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

A few decades ago, the Burt Reynolds movie FUZZ was shown on network TV for the first time. Among its several storylines was one about a couple of teenagers who were wandering around town, dousing homeless men with alcohol and setting them on fire.

The very next night there was a copycat incident in Boston, and certain segments of the population, mostly on the Left, seized upon the event to “prove” that violence in media led to violence in society. This quickly became a meme (as we would say today) despite psychologists across the country saying there was no evidence that media violence CREATED violence in the real world. A movie or TV show might suggest a METHOD, but the proclivity toward violence had to already exist.



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Thank you !!     This was a missing element of my point about violence in entertainment. --- Over time, it's created a mentality in, well, American culture that "violence is (part of) the answer".   Superman doesn't fly up to a bad guy and reason with them -- he violently subdues them -- because that's entertaining. John Wayne, Clint Eastwood, etc  What I'm trying to say is PART OF THE PROBLEM is the social narrative in AMERICA (because we're not talking about fkn Japan or fkn Australia) is violence is akin to entertainment.   Not everyone out there has the Emotional Intelligence to process all this noise in harmless ways.  Not everyone out there has the emotional intelligence to simply process the noise as just entertainment.

I'm not saying it's THE problem -- I'm saying it's PART of the problem.  A society numb to knowing what is violence and what is entertainment -- some members of that society will make poor decisions eventually.

There's no way a few forum posts will sway anyone's opinion -- I was just raising a posit of discussion.  I just find it hypocritical in the extreme when people like Charlize Theron makes Sean Penn destroy his antique gun collection and then she goes on to film a ultra violent movie about a gun carrying female contract killer.

Lastly -- to MICHAEL ROBERTS -- I was in law enforcement. I've worked child murders, I've been to serial killer crimes scenes, etc.   I've seen the evil people do.  First hand -- not from the comfort of my couch.  Serial Killers are not fun, they're not entertaining.  There is nothing more sickening than seeing tv and movies glorify this horror.  You know what else is fkd up?  Bank robbery.  Why is it entertaining to watch movies and tv shows about bank robbers?  Wait, they're the fkn heroes in the movie??!!  WTF??!!   Have you ever been to a bank and had a gun shoved in your face AFTER the guy has shot someone else?  People regularly piss and shit themselves from the fear in the moment.  When the first responders arrive afterwards, victims are terrified, crying, sobbing.  They typically have PTSD for years.  Marriages fail, they lose their jobs, their kids in divorce, even suicide --- because very very bad people rob banks.   Oh, but lets all have a chuckle with George, Brad and Matt ripping off a casino!  What a fun night at the movies.

Again -- your mileage may vary.
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:08pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

As I think about the living nightmare to which these Texas families are waking each morning, I cannot help but ponder the tragic irony that may be at play here. How many in the grieving families are themselves gun fanatics, determined to protect the Second Amendment even over the lives of other people’s kids?

I’m remembering how American contributions to the Irish Republican Army dropped substantially after 9/11. Can we anticipate a similar moral epiphany for some in Texas?

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:15pm | IP Logged | 5 post reply

We're so PAST THE POINT of inaction it's pathetic.

Let's REALLY hold these pathetic, money hungry lawmakers accountable. VOTE THEM OUT. Vote in better, decent people... who can tip the scales.

Sometimes it feels soooooo hopeless - but we should not give up. These children deserve a better future.

Yes, I'm angry.

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I’m remembering an editorial cartoon from a few decades ago. A motorist reacts as he drives by a big campaign billboard featuring the image of a fat cat politician emblazoned with the words THROW THE BUMS OUT! RE-ELECT SOANSO!
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I don' know of any movie that glorifies serial killers. Let's take the most recent example I can think of; the TV show Mindhunter. Anyone that finds this a glorification of serial killers is drawing those conclusions on their own. The show taught me how meticulous, calculating and dangerous serial killers can be when they are seeking a victim. I have seen many true and fictional crime stories. Not one has ever glorified crime or killing in my opinion. Can you cite some movies or television shows that you think glorify killing, Geoffrey?

There is a mental health issue, but there is also an issue with just how accessible guns are to mentally challenged people. Cars require testing, licensing and regular re certification. Why don't guns?.
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What I'm trying to say is PART OF THE PROBLEM is the social narrative in AMERICA (because we're not talking about fkn Japan or fkn Australia) is violence is akin to entertainment.

You keep avoiding the question. Japan and Australia have the same social narratives, yet they don’t have the same issues with gun violence. Why?
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:38pm | IP Logged | 9 post reply

I think this sums up why there is inaction:

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 2:53pm | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Cars require testing, licensing and regular re certification. Why don't guns?

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Simple - makes it EASIER to SELL guns, more money for those involved.

It's corrupt - plain & simple. Remember all the elected officials who are in bed with the gun lobby.

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | 11 post reply

Sky News...doing what OUR media CAN'T seem to do - LINK

The reporter comes with cold hard FACTS and chickenshit Ted Cruz has no answers. 

Cruz says "don't make this political"... meanwhile, he jumps to blame democrats. What a joke of a politician he is.

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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 6:00pm | IP Logged | 12 post reply

I think mostly there is good art and bad art, similar to real information and misinformation. One makes one think, it sensitizes, the other dulls and cheapens. So violence, even very extreme, can be thoughtful in fiction (in film I find I usually like Peckinpah and Tarantino movies as well as Kurosawa, which can be very graphic, in comics you have the revered thoughtful works down to the brainless crap as well which is graphic). I think the graphic is usually better than a casual fade out at the reality in fact, the old bad guys bullets always miss and the good guys don't shtick is in there with the quick fade from the graphic reality too.

Non-fictionwise I remember I used to follow a prime-time U.S. show Unsolved Mysteries fairly avidly in the past, and sometimes also Dateline NBC which would usually cover one true crime murder story in depth. I don't see it as a cause so much as a reflection that there are now entire channels of shows with the insane killer's name for the title, there is possibly something ill socially shown in the imbalance and the focus, and I also say the same of shark and wildlife shows with animals killing that have proliferated. Television like the internet has become functionally ungovernable, would-be regulators mostly throw their hands up now. I did however live in a time when there were regulations, hours of allowable visuals and language, whereas now we just get all these 'warnings' before everything... you can find graphic and explicit good art for adults as well as potentially normalizing or desensitizing bad art at any time of the day; every parent or otherwise for themselves. We used to care more than this once?

Just as the market drives which guns are most manufactured and kinds advertised, so the audience has led television and movies to a lowest common denominator quite often, and binge watching has become a thing, watching one show for a long stretch. These are changes and mean something. If you take in necessity how about necessity being the mother of invention; allow people whatever they can create themselves? With entertainment or information sources are we getting similar results as do it yourself firearms would produce? The insufficiently thought through or informed? Are we broadening as viewers/readers? In finding information sources? Some may be but the majority are not. Someone incapable of constructing a working firearm can get a military assault weapon, and someone with emotions of anger or discrimination can get ideas from what's most around them as well as for sale.

It seems pretty obvious however that the kinds of arms and the number now out there in communities are the main issue, it really ought to go without saying, but as long as people's fears of those guns out there in the hands of the ill intentioned, many are going to want to feel the need for them as the first line of a solution to their own problem. The mantra that most gun owners are responsible is I believe true, and there are people in places and situations simply requiring one near to hand, but nobody 'needs' these huge ammo clips or military style semi-automatic assault rifles anymore than they need grenades or hollow point bullets. The gun show 'loophole' makes a mockery of the law because some people in power have allowed it to. It's always a long hard road back to rebuilding civilization, and civilization is the opposite of everyone fends for themselves.

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