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Rodrigo castellanos
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 7:34pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

I just find it hypocritical in the extreme when people like Charlize Theron makes Sean Penn destroy his antique gun collection and then she goes on to film a ultra violent movie about a gun carrying female contract killer.

You seem to have a problem differentiating fiction from reality. Luckily most people don't, and it's been proven countless times.

If Theron actually did that, good. I think we can all agree Penn has embarrassed himself enough on the subject.


Oh, but lets all have a chuckle with George, Brad and Matt ripping off a casino!  What a fun night at the movies.

Get help.


Superman doesn't fly up to a bad guy and reason with them -- he violently subdues them -- because that's entertaining.

Also, you need to read more Superman comics.





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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 7:54pm | IP Logged | 2 post reply

Hopefully, if O'Rourke is any kind of a competent candidate, he'll exploit Abbott's hypocrisy on the mental health excuse.   < id="protanopia"> < id="deuteranopia"> < id="tritanopia">
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 10:55pm | IP Logged | 3 post reply

If O'Rourke was a competent candidate, he wouldn't think that causing a big scene at a news conference and getting escorted out by security was a good way to win over undecided moderate voters.
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Posted: 26 May 2022 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | 4 post reply

Why not? Haven't we tried everything else to wake people up to the tragic absurdity of it all?

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Are you going to tell me that anyone would really be swayed on an issue like this on how tasteful someone might be about the way they express themselves about the issue at yet another hopes and prayers vigil?
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 12:29am | IP Logged | 5 post reply

"We can't have candidates causing a scene! This is Texas!"
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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 12:59am | IP Logged | 6 post reply

 Ron Bailey wrote:
Are you going to tell me that anyone would really be swayed on an issue like this on how tasteful someone might be about the way they express themselves about the issue at yet another hopes and prayers vigil?

According to this summary of polls, the governor's race in Texas is currently running Abbott: 48.7%, O'Rourke 38.7%.

According to this poll (from 2019, but I'm guessing attitudes probably have not changed much in the interim) 81% of Texas voters support background checks for all gun purchases.  68% of Texas voters support red flag laws.  59% support banning the sale of selected semi-automatic rifles. 

So there's a notable amount of Texans who support some types of sensible gun restrictions, but do not support O'Rourke.  And there's about 12% of voters who are apparently still undecided.  It stands to reason those undecided are independent or moderate voters, since I can't imagine a liberal being on the fence at this point.  These are the people that need to be won over if O'Rourke is going to win. 

So what might win them over?  I would think probably an approach like "Look, I'm a reasonable guy, and here's some reasonable ideas that would make Texas more safe.  Here's some ideas a majority of Texans agree upon."  Basically making the argument that "I'm not the extremist, Abbott is" on this particular issue.

Causing a scene at a news conference, expressing righteous indignation, and scolding people does not advance any of this.  To the contrary, it makes it easier for Abbott to paint O'Rourke as some sort of loose cannon radical.  Democrats have been chest beating, scolding, and expressing righteous indignation for the past 30 years, and it hasn't moved the needle on voters regarding this issue. 


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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 1:26am | IP Logged | 7 post reply

I'm thinking it was as much stunt/theater as genuine emotion, but I wouldn't say there wasn't genuine emotion there... perhaps not smart but I respect his facing Abbot and Cruz, who are definitely a part of the problem, as a human being on that basis. Unfortunate if it does cost him votes. If you are against publicity stunts and name-calling such as Republicans like Taylor-Greene or DeSantis frequently engage in, it is foolish to do the same.
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 2:02am | IP Logged | 8 post reply

GOP = Guns Over Pupils.
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 2:51am | IP Logged | 9 post reply

If you are against publicity stunts and name-calling such as Republicans like Taylor-Greene or DeSantis frequently engage in, it is foolish to do the same.
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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 3:54am | IP Logged | 10 post reply

Looking from the outside and all, it doesn't look like a blue governor is gonna make that much of a difference.

Seems naive to me. The change needed is much more profound.



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Posted: 27 May 2022 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 11 post reply

The video game/violent movie debate is nearly 40 years old.  It's been trotted out by every Republican since Reagan.  I've played video games weekly since I was an 8 year-old in the mid-70s.  But I had relatives who grew up on wild gun battles featuring John Wayne among many others who had seen him doing that since the 40s. We had Dirty Harry films and Death Wish before video games were even a nascent thought.  I obviously know people who came of age during the film noir period of gangster films in the 30s-50s.  Bloody messes.  

But...sure.   Let's blame video games.  Let's shift the blame to an easy target.  As Michael Roberts has said in other threads, that deflects from the hard answer.  Japan, England, most of the free world has easy access to the same games and the same content but has none of the problems with guns as America has.  Wonder why?  Drill down (not too deep) and I think you'll have your answer and it's not video games. 
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Rodrigo, no one said that by itself a blue governor in Texas would make a big difference.  But it would make some difference.  A Democrat would not have signed off on permitless carry last year.  That’s something.

Point is, the only path to any semblance of a solution is to persuade people who support some form of gun control but vote Republican to instead vote Democratic in enough elections to make a difference.  
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