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Mike Benson
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 1:39am | IP Logged | 1
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Hate to hear your experience on Superman was so unpleasant for you. Count me among those who really enjoyed those stories.
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Jim Petersman
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I can't imagine a world without Superman (by JB), but I couldn't agree more that you probably shouldn't have done it, John. Getting the FF across the 300 mark and carrying on with The Incredible Hulk would have served your career - and "fan" opinion - much better.
What I would love to go back and tell you is to take on WHAT THE?!? as a monthly. Your humor is underrated. Plus I like your art in that exaggerated style!
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James Woodcock
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 4:55am | IP Logged | 3
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Sheila, reread the FAQs on Superman.
Think about any one of those things happening to you.
Now think about all those things happening to you in an 18 month period.
Would you call that a happy experience?
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Brian Floyd
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 4
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That CAPTAIN AMERICA run was short but sweet, and issues #253-254 is still to this day my favorite two-part story.
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Jonathan A. Dowdell
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 3:14pm | IP Logged | 5
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Mr. Byrne, I wouldn't be a member of this forum if I weren't a fan of your work and the idea of more issues of your FF is intriguing but...
I am glad you took on Superman because as a Marvel Zombie I probably would have never have discovered all of DC's great heroes had I not followed you to Superman. I had read New Teen Titans and Crisis, but had very little interest in the larger DC tapestry. Your Superman & Action introduced me to many characters that I now consider (almost) as important to me as the Marvel Universe.
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Michael Penn
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 4:10pm | IP Logged | 6
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As a reader, I wasn't only disappointed that the Stern/Byrne run on CAPTAIN AMERICA ended, but it definitely hit me as completely unexpected. It seemed like so much was being set up... but then no pay-off. Just -- gone. Damn.
Similarly, based on UCM 136 I did not expect at all how 137 would finish the story. "They are actually killing Jean Grey...!!?!" And back then I thought (foolishly, in retrospect) that she was going to stay dead.
Very interesting that both turn of events had Jim Shooter at their root.
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Brian Miller
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JB, when you came aboard the Superman train, was his non-invulnerability
already established or did you add that?
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 22 September 2023 at 7:23pm | IP Logged | 8
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A bit of both.
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Michael Hogan
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| Posted: 23 September 2023 at 1:48am | IP Logged | 9
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JB, sorry to hear that your Superman experience was so
negative.
Let me say that I hold you work on Superman to be the first
time in my life that reading his exploits was enjoyable and
not overly silly.
It's a testament to your professionalism that, despite the
conditions you were working under, the results were so damn
good. You truly are a master of the craft.
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Brian Miller
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| Posted: 23 September 2023 at 5:03am | IP Logged | 10
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Damn. I didn’t complete my question above. That was supposed to say
“non-invulnerability to magic.”
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Rodrigo castellanos
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| Posted: 23 September 2023 at 11:43am | IP Logged | 11
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My first "true" experience with Superman as a reader was JB's run. Other than the mini-comics that came with Super Powers action figures and that hard to define pre-internet cultural osmosis, I didn't really know much about the lore.
And the little I knew wasn't enough to make me like the character (unlike Batman, with the 60s TV re-runs and some scattered comics being enough to make me a fan for life).
But JB's run I loved, even more than the Batman comics I could get a hold of at the time. Eventually, I did my homework and still never really got what was so special about the Silver Age Superman and the baggage that came with him (multi-colored kryptonites, super dog and monkey, Kandor, etc.).
I've always found all that stuff super corny. Even in runs I like that pay homage to that era (ALL STAR SUPERMAN, SUPREME), I find a kinda ironic detachment that prevents me from taking it entirely seriously.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 23 September 2023 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | 12
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DC used to play Superman’s vulnerability to magic as if it was something special to him, like kryptonite. I merely reminded people that EVERYTHING is vulnerable to magic!
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