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Andrew Bitner
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A hallmark of JB's writing, to me, is his ability to treat even the silliest-seeming characters with respect. Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be generally true of comics these days.
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John Byrne
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Blame the clubhouse mentality. Too many former fans now pros, bringing their ennui to delight the equally engorged fans.
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Mark Haslett
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Rodrigo: Hrmm... if you think WATCHMEN was this lethal wound that superheroes couldn't possibly come back from ever, then I guess you don't think much of superheroes.
I, of course, think that's ridiculous.
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There is no way to go backward from this response to anything I wrote.
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 28 April 2025 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | 4
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WATCHMEN did a tremendous amount of damage—so much so that Dick Giordano would not allow the plot to be used to reboot the recently acquired Charlton heroes. If you want a practical example of the effect of WATCHMEN, (re)read THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS with an eye to the point where Frank Miller abruptly changes course after seeing xeroxes of the first few issues of WATCHMEN. (I saw those copies at the same time. Jennette Kahn was proudly handing them out while I was working on MAN OF STEEL. I wonder what the world would be like if I was as influenced as Frank?)
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Andrew Bitner
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JB: I wonder what the world would be like if I was as influenced as Frank?
Did it just get 20 degrees colder in here? Seriously, I have some difficulty imagining a Superman whose character arc was bent by Watchmen, mostly because the result wouldn't be Superman. Thanks for staying true to the character, JB.
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Rodrigo castellanos
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| Posted: 29 April 2025 at 1:36am | IP Logged | 6
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I don't know which other way this could possibly be interpreted, but it should be interesting.
Nothing stopped beating. It's a 40 year old comic.
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Mark Haslett
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You didn't understand me.
When you practice the art of superhero comics, it cannot succeed if it is done with contempt for nobility.
That is my meaning.
Your interpretation is... something else.
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Stéphane Garrelie
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Puck, as you made him, wasn't lame: he was a strong and original character.I'm a huge fan of Bill Mantlo, but i'm of the opinion he got Alpha Flight wrong. When it comes to Puck, i think he missed the point of the character.
Edited by Stéphane Garrelie on 01 May 2025 at 2:26pm
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John Byrne
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| Posted: 01 May 2025 at 2:59pm | IP Logged | 9
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puck is an interesting character and as far as I know, unique.••• Mostly, tho he does have an “ancestor” of sorts. During WW2, when an embargo prevented American comics from flowing into Canada as once they had, Canadian publishers rushed to fill the void. A lot of characters were created. One was Major Domo, a crimefighter who was—brace yourselves—a dwarf sitting on the shoulders of a man who had lost both arms. I would not go so far as to say he was an actual influence in the creation of Puck, but………
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John Byrne
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Correction: Major Domo was the armless guy. The dwarf was called Jo-Jo.
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