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Steven Brake
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Posted: 06 May 2025 at 6:01pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

The Royal Charter of 1603, which lists William Shakespeare, John Heminges and Henry Condell.

The last will and testament of William Shakespeare of Stratford-Upon-Avon upon his death in 1616 which gives small bequests to John Heminges and Henry Condell.

The First Folio of 1623, in which John Heminges and Henry Condell state that they've arranged for it to be published to commemorate the memory of William Shakespeare.

As far as I can tell, there are four conclusions to be drawn from this:

1) Will of Stratford-Upon-Avon was the author, or co-author, of the plays ascribed to William Shakespeare in the First Folio.

2) Will of Stratford-Upon Avon fooled Heminges and Condell (and others, including Ben Jonson) into believing that he was the author, or co-author, of the plays ascribed to William Shakespeare in the First Folio.

3) Heminges and Condell (and others, including Ben Jonson) knew that Will of Stratford-Upon-Avon wasn't really the author, but maintained the pretense that he was, either through;

3a) a free choice of their own, or because

3b) they were influenced, bribed or threatened by another party.

Option one is the overwhelming consensus.

Option two seems unlikely. No-one realised for decades that Will of Stratford-Upon-Avon was a fraud?

Option 3a) isn't impossible, I suppose. I don't think it's likely.

Option 3b) begs the question of who this third party was, and why they were so determined to maintain the facade of Will of Stratford-Upon-Avon's authorship.


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Unless, that is, the Stratford [name] game is played...

To borrow from Monty Python (who wasn't a person but a collaborative), that's the nub of the Stratoridian gist: the works, when named, are all variants of William Shakespeare and the non-author documents indisputably related to Stratford Will are all variants of the same name. The name itself is the connection between the works and Stratford Will. The Stratfordian position, though, is that this isn't a game at all, or rather, it's the game that the doubters insist the non-doubters are playing but won't admit, and that it's a rigged game they're playing. 

The name isn't the only divide between doubters and non-doubters, but it seems to me chasmic. Consider that the starting point of many a doubter is asking: what if the works were all completely un-named, what would then lead us from Stratford Will to the works or vice versa? But then that's what non-doubters would label the doubters' own name-game. 

What an abyss the name is!
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I personally don't see how there is a "name game."

There is an authorship question: who wrote the works.

If it's the guy from Stratford, then that guy often used the spelling "Shaksper".

If it was someone else, then this other writer never used "Shaksper" and neither did anyone else in referring to him.

It does not prejudge the issue or cause disrespect-- it is conceivable that a man who went by "Shaksper" for his whole life could use "Shakespeare" on a published poem which he called the first heir of his invention.

If there's a "game" it's in trying to rewrite history so that "Shaksper" somehow disappears as a legitimate name.
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