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Mark Haslett
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Posted: 01 May 2025 at 2:27pm | IP Logged | 1 post reply

Dates can feel abstract — but our shared memory of the 1990s through today is vivid. So here’s a thought experiment to make the Shakespeare timeline more relatable:

Imagine Richard Bachman’s Thinner was published in 1993 — a bestselling novel by a mysterious author with no interviews, no bio, no public presence. Just a name on the cover.

By 1997, a few writers begin dropping hints in print that “Bachman” might be a pen name — possibly for a more famous author. Then, nothing else for decades.

Now flash forward to 2023. Thinner is reissued, and for the first time, the edition includes biographical material on Bachman.

But that material is... strange.

One foreword calls him the “Swan of Mississippi.” Another mentions a monument in "Springfield." One is written by two booksellers who knew a guy named Buckman who worked briefly in New York publishing. They say nothing about his personal life, yet insist he wrote Thinner in one perfect draft, no revisions.

Then comes a foreword by the famously cryptic Thomas Pynchon. He refuses to praise the name on the title page, tells readers to ignore the author's portrait, and offers not a single shred of identifying information.

So someone goes digging and finds a man named Buckman in Springfield, Mississippi. He once worked in New York publishing, may have gone to school there briefly as a child, and knew the two booksellers. No one in his hometown ever heard he was a writer.

Would we confidently conclude that this man — Buckman from Springfield — wrote Thinner?

Or would we assume, as some already did in 1997, that “Bachman” was a pseudonym, and that some deeper unraveling is needed to explain how the 2023 edition ended up linked to this otherwise unknown man?

That is exactly how “Shaksper” of Stratford was connected to the works of Shakespeare.

The name first appeared in print in 1593. But not one single biographical connection between the man from Stratford and the act of writing plays appears until the 1623 First Folio — thirty years later — in a pair of forewords written by that era’s Thomas Pynchon, the legendary riddle-speaker Ben Jonson.

Earlier allusions to “Shakespeare,” dating back to 1597, clearly treat it as a pseudonym.

And yet, on this flimsy and delayed foundation, the entire Stratford authorship myth has been built.

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And just for some added modern context, we should remember that the artist known as BANKSY has been putting on art shows since the 1990's and we still do not know who he/she is in 2025.
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A small twist to your hypothesis: it was likely not the author himself who chose the name “Shakespeare”. That probably came from the publisher/printer, who was seeking to hang a recognizable “brand” on those popular plays and poems.
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There're as big a problem with the reasons to not identify the author to the actor (at least the reasons of those who in the XIXth century made that choice, but those who make it today are their heirs, even if the reasons differ) than there're with the reasons to go with the tradition.

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Stephane: There're as big a problem with the reasons to not identify the author to the actor (at least the reasons of those who in the XIXth century made that choice, but those who make it today are their heirs, even if the reasons differ) than there're with the reasons to go with the tradition.

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Since there is not even strong evidence that the man from Stratford was ever an actor, I strongly disagree with your statement.

Particularly when you do not even hint at what the "problem" you refer to could be.
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John: A small twist to your hypothesis: it was likely not the author himself who chose the name “Shakespeare”. That probably came from the publisher/printer, who was seeking to hang a recognizable “brand” on those popular plays and poems.

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Interesting thought.

The first place the name "William Shakespeare" appears in print is on the first printing of "Venus & Adonis" -- on the dedication page.

The name was on the 1593 first printing. At the time, it was the only thing anyone knew of from this "William Shakespeare" guy.

The name would not get connected to any plays until 5 years later in 1598.

"Venus & Adonis" is by far the most popular work of its day with the name "Shaksespeare" on it. Nothing else in publishing from the time comes close.

If "Shakespeare" did become a "brand name", then it is because "Venus & Adonis" was so successful.

I agree, it happened. "Shakespeare" became a brand under which work from several authors was released -- the "apocryphal" plays prove it. But I think the author of "Venus & Adonis" chose that name, for whatever reason, to appear on the poem's dedication page.

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The plays and poems were known and popular before the Shakespeare name attached. This is what I mean by the printers creating a brand. “Ask for it by name!”

And as we know, some of the later works—notably KING JOHN—are considered something other than “pure” Shakespeare.

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My reference on the subject is a french book: 
Shakespeare, by Henri Suhamy, 1996, Le Livre de poche, ISBN: 2-253-90523-2 
I have the second edition, from 2006
9th part of the second chapter "The man, the actor, the author"(my translation, as for all that follows in this summary) is titled "9.The anti-stratfordian heresy" pages 41 to 47.

It presents the anti-stratfordians as appearing in the XIXth century and affirming that the works attributed to an illiterate peasant named William Shakspere or Shaxper, were writen by someone who needed to hide his real identity and that the peasant of the Warwickshire was only a figurhead, sort of a reverse ghost writer. 

He treats rapidly the Bernard Shaw joke and the question of the homonym, then, after a few words about the premises at the end of the XVIIIth century (humble countryman without university studies vs such a bright work) he proceeds to the examen of the various candidates.

Francis Bacon, Lord Verulam (1561-1626): genius+erudit but an hypothesis discredited today because of the absurdity of some theories (clandestine son of Elisabeth and the earl of Leicester, plays writen to defend his right to the throne...)

William Stanley (1561-1642), earl of Derby, more or less a speciality of the french anti-stratfordians like Abel Lefranc and Georges Lambin. Same objections as the other hypotheses: no proof, no likelyhood. And how to keep the secret?
Particularly if Shakespeare was such a boor? Why would the real author choose someone for his incompetence?
 
Edward de Vere (1550-1604), earl of Oxford, today's candidate of most of the active anti-stratfordians, particularly in America.

Against the oxfordian hypothesis: his death in 1604 since some of the plays were represented for the first time after this date. Why did his familly and friends let the Stratford crook draw from an hypothetical stock of chefs-d'oeuvre? basically the tactic of the oxfordians is an argmentative spyral, with hypothesis justified by other hypothesis.

For the oxfordian hypothesis: his stepfather was William Cecil, Lord Burghley, minister of Elisabeth and probable model for Polonius in Hamlet. A letter to his son looks like the recommendations of Polonius to Laertes. How could Shakespeare know this document?
But this could also be the source for Stanley who was the husband of Elisabeth de Vere, grand-daughter of William Cecil.

Henry Suhamy summaries the position of the anti-stratfordians as "A great lord shouldn't write for the theater, ergo the plays of Shakespeare were writen by a great lord."
Other pseudo-syllogism: if we don't find any testimony proving that Oxford wrote the plays in question, it's because those documents were destroyed. If they were destroyed, it is because they existed. Conclusion: Oxford is the author.

He adds that the current state of teaching in the world and particularly in the US prevents to realise that there was a time when a twelve years old schoolboy knew mythology and used to read Ovid.

Henry Suhamy sees Shakespeare as a man of a very vast culture, but the culture of an autodidact. Universal rather than university culture. The result is a sort of diffuse encyclopedism.

His conclusion is that for the anti-stratfordians art is a phenomena from life and the author a man of action and experience amateur of theater, when for the stratfordians Shakespeare is a man of theater spectator of the world who knows the difference between art and life.

After Henry Suhamy, my quick summary.

So basically, i was alluding to the social condition of the author as the main motivation for the XIXth century anti-stratfordianism.

This, i wrote quickly, with the book in one hand and my other hand on the laptop keyboard. There may be stupid faults.


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The single greatest argument against the Stratford man is the man himself, his near total lack of connection to the theater or writing of any kind.

This is why most official “biographies” of Shakespeare tend to be strung together with repeated uses of phrases like “might have”, “could have”, “probably would have” and the like. A man named William Shakespeare who was the greatest author of his time (and perhaps any time) is as intangible as the ghost of Hamlet’s father. Only by using the Shakespeare name—which he mostly did not*—can a connection be made.

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* As most official you know, spelling was not formalized in Elizabethan times. Scribes would write what they heard—often multiple variations on the same page! In the case of the Stratford man, documents referring to him mostly use phonetic spellings of “Shaxsper”, the traditional Warkwickshire pronunciation.

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