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John McMahon
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Jeff Gilmer wrote:
| In relation to buying "The Ultimates", I couldn't care less about
someone named Bryan Hitch, his girlfriend, their baby or their pet
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I'd imagine that the vast number of people who do actually buy the comic in question would disagree with you.
It's your right as a consumer to value timeliness as much as you do, happy shopping.
I buy comics that entertain me, timeliness wouldn't be a huge factor to
me personally (which isn't to say that timely comics don't entertain
me, or that late comics entertain me more and I don't want to turn into
a turkey sandwich etc. etc.).
Edited by John McMahon on 27 September 2005 at 3:59am
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Hector Baez
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Assuming we are all talking about comic books as a disposable media?
Can we expect the same as we expect from reading the newspaper everyday, or more to the point we SHOULD as the buying public EXPECT the same?
I would expect a company wanting to keep their readership and have that readership grow would spend time making sure the merchandise reaches its costumers on a timely basis.
Then again maybe I'm completely off the mark here.
Edited by Hector Baez on 28 September 2005 at 3:57am
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John McMahon
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It looks like the vast amount of the product does come out in a timely
manner, it's only the rare exception from what I can see (at the
moment, anyway).
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Anthony J Lombardi
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| Posted: 27 September 2005 at 6:53am | IP Logged | 4
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Since Ultimates is being mentioned so much .I wonder how much improved or worse the delays will become once Millar and Hitch finish their run on the title.
Jeph Loeb and Joe Madueria are going to be the next creative team taking over.
Mr. Loeb as far as i know doesn't have any deadline problems with his writing but i know in the past Joe Mad has had them. Due to his love of Xbox.
how ever i am looking forward to seeing it the pieces of Joe's work i've seen look really cool
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Kevin Pierce
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So your genius business plan is to sack the top tier creators whose
name on a known property will give you 80K+ sales a month and replace
them with you and your mates ?
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Think about it John, you are paying top talent who are not delivering.
You need to get out 12 books a year and they turning out half that? In
any business if you are not producing your share of the work you get sacked,
why should these guys get treated differently. The imamates are running prison.
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John McMahon
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They are treated differently because their employers believe (rightly
or wrongly) that the persons in question will make them a lot of
money. The notion that Billy Bugfuck and Johnny Jerkoff could
wander into Marvel and do twelve issues of Ultimates a year that would
make close to what 7 from an A list team does (both short and long
term) is nonsense.
This thread makes it sound like Marvel and DC are plagued by late books
and creators producing one issue a year whereas a look at the facts
would seem to contradict that view (see my post a little way up this
page).
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Jason Fulton
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Well, Bugfuck and Jerkoff would probably have an easier time of it if they were allowed to rehash the old Lee/Kirby/Ditko stories as well.
"Here's the first 4 issues of Avengers - spread it out over the next three or four years, make it widescreen, or decompress it, or whatever the term the morons that still buy our product are calling it these days. Hop Hop!"
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Kevin Pierce
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They are treated differently because their employers believe (rightly
or wrongly) that the persons in question will make them a lot of
money. The notion that Billy Bugfuck and Johnny Jerkoff could
wander into Marvel and do twelve issues of Ultimates a year that would
make close to what 7 from an A list team does (both short and long
term) is nonsense.
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Who says just anyone can wonder off the street, there are
thousands of kids who are trying to break into the business. One of them is the
next great talent, bring that talent in train them early and teach them what it
means to be in the business. The problem with these companies is they
are taking the bean counter approach, if an X-man title sales than they think
10 will sell just as well. There goes the quality of the work and quality of
the storylines. Flooding the market with numerous titles does not justify letting
a percentage of them ship as late books. If I subscribe to a title, I expect
that title to ship on time just like all the rest.
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John McMahon
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Oh right, so you want to start a mentoring/training school at Marvel ?
That's an interesting idea I guess.
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Mark Haslett
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It used to be called "the way things work." Many great comic
artists started by assisting other great artists -- all under the
heading of "learning their craft" in which pros would also learn to
meet deadlines. If that were still in place, there'd be a lot
more solid art out there.
The thing about "star creators" is their glow is not annointed upon
them from on high. Throw the bums out and more stars will
rise. Companies may pay a cost in lower sales in the short run,
but professional attitudes and higher productivity would make up for
that in the long run and maintain what's left of the industry.
Having a professional attitude from the top down with zero tolerance
for lateness would not/could not eliminate all the "star
creators." It would eliminate some and keep an open door for new
stars to come along who really love the industry and want it to be as
successful as possible. Anyone who's chronically late is costing
money.
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One problem is that the industry has demanded more and more hyper-detailed art out of its artists. At one time, photo-realism like Neal Adams was the exception, not the rule, now it's practically industry standard. Not an excuse, but I don't think, with current art styles the way they are, that any mainstream book should be monthly.
And people complain when artists use blatant photo-reference or swipe layouts or stat panels here and there! Can't have it both ways, guys.
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John McMahon: Dollar sales of comics and graphic novels in comic
shops in August were up a healthy 18%
But Marvel just had a increase raising all 2.25 books to 2.50. There's
a good chunk of that 18%. Manga Probably makes up the rest. My local
store has not seen a new regular customer in a year.
It's too bad that Comic books don't have something like bookscan to see
what really sells to the customer. Evrybody would have a better time at
it I think.
As far as the timelyness goes. Lots of comics are late by a week or
two. All you have to do is look at the schedule change press releases
that come out every week. It is unfortunate that M***** has caused me
to stop buying my all-time favorite character, Iron Man.
I really wish Mark Bagley was on something other than Ult Spider-Man.
He Rocks. When was the last time that book shipped late? Publishing
14-18 issues a year.
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