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Vinny Valenti Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:17pm | IP Logged | 1
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Relax, guys, no invective was intended. I think Marcio explained better what I was trying to say. And thanks, Mark.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:18pm | IP Logged | 2
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No idea what Thom's reasons were, but this was one of the primary
reasons why I voted for McCain and against Obama (I've posted this link
before, but it's worthy of another look now that Obama is our
President-Elect):
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/s_596 337.html ----
On the flip side, my friend with a small retail business, an economics degree, and experience in the financial world evaluating business plans for other entrepreneurs was pro-Obama and thought McCain was utterly clueless regarding the economy and finance
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 20 September 2008 Location: Brazil Posts: 2514
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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:32pm | IP Logged | 3
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Jodi said: I live in a small town called Yorktown, outside of Muncie Indiana,
Terre Haute is on the western side of the state and a little south, we
are on the eastern side a little north. We are about an hour and a half
away. If you ever get to Indiana look me up, I'll show you all the
exciting things in Yorktown, which will take about five minutes but
then we can go for a long lunch. ++++ Thanks Jodi! But do not take for granted the fact that you live in a small town. I lived my whole life in Sao Paulo. 20 million inhabitans, 4 million cars, buildings, noise, traffic... it is no fun... I would love to move to Indiana to raise my kids there.
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:40pm | IP Logged | 4
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So what do people expect from an Obama presidency?
I'm hoping the worst we get is the kind of Republican-lite that we got with Clinton. Obama will have to find his Gingrich to make that happen, but I could live with Clinton redux if I have to.
What I would like to see? Ah, there's a list:
- I'd like to see an administration full of broke-ass people who are willing to remain broke-ass for the next four years and work for the country they love with no thought to their own interests. Government work pays well with excellent benefits. Put all your assets in a blind trust and bust your broke-ass asses like you're trying to make history, not money.
- One of the first things Bush did was increase the time before Presidential documents must be released under the FOIA. I found this a little odd but innocuous when it happened. Now, in the interest of transparency, I want Obama to reverse that so we can see what the little fucker was trying to hide.
- Then there's the traditional fund/not fund of overseas groups that give out abortion information or perform abortions. That needs reversed.
- Close Gitmo, stop torturing people.
- Put some teeth back on the FISA court, stop domestic wiretaps.
- Increase the reward for bin Laden, change the conditions from "Dead or Alive" to "Alive", and threaten extreme sanctions against the country harboring him if it comes to light that they knew he was there. Osama bin Laden must be brought to trial.
- Decrimilize marijuana.
- Pardon someone. Anyone. We keep hearing about all these people imprisoned for crimes they did not commit; if injustice is that rampant we've got to be able to find someone and give them the freedom they deserve. One pardon, early on, will make a staement: we fix our mistakes.
- Legalize marijuana.
- Change the dialogue on Iraq. We need to stop talking about Iraq in terms of winning and losing. If we went there to get Saddam - we won! If we went there to prevent WMDs from getting into the wrong hands - we won! If we went there to find WMDs - we lost. If we went there to secure vital resources for the U.S. - we're assholes. The War in Iraq is over. We won all there is to win. If we frame the debate in terms of how Iraq can win, we can start to see things in terms of democracy winning, the Middle East winning, the World winning. We need to make this the world's cause, seek global support, and let the people of Iraq win, at long last. If it breaks us, so be it. We broke them first and owe it to them to fix it.
edit: clarifications to #6
Edited by Kevin Hagerman on 05 November 2008 at 5:50pm
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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I am just curious... and not trying to be snarky... but why would you oppose the superior choice?
There are so many things I wanted to say here, but I guess your attitude speaks for itself. Wow.
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 4:56pm | IP Logged | 6
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By the way Scott, congrat's on your post about Obama win, this world need more tolerant people.
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David Lopez Byrne Robotics Member

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Our long national nightmare is over. Now Sarah Palin can go back to vigilantly staring at the Russkies from her front porch, and Joe the pseudo-plumber can go flush himself.
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Mark McKay Byrne Robotics Member

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Oh, I think Obama was the superior candidate in many ways. There is a lot I like about Obama: his personality, intelligence, communication skills, he seems like a nice guy who believes in what he's saying. His youth. I think the fact that he's black is a very important step for us as a country and its growth. That aspect held a lot of power for me. I was glad that if a Democrat was going to win, it would be him for all of those reasons.
It all came down to policies in the end, as it should. I just wish he was a Republican, I guess!
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 5:11pm | IP Logged | 9
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By the way Scott, congrat's on your post about Obama win, this world need more tolerant people.
Thanks. I'll always give my full support to our President. I never voted for Bush but he has had my full support, even though I disagreed with many of his policies and actions.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 5:12pm | IP Logged | 10
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Scott Richards wrote:
Howard Mackie wrote:
| I am just curious... and not trying to be snarky... but why would you oppose the superior choice? |
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Curious about why you think Howard has an attitude, Scott? Did you not read the post directly above his that he is responding to? "Superior choice" was Thom Price's wording. I took Howard at face value and didn't infer any attitude. He was simply asking a question based on Thom's use of the word "superior" as in it being confusing to oppose someone Thom said he thought was superior.
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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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African-American
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 November 2008 at 5:21pm | IP Logged | 12
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Scott said: Thanks. I'll always give my full support to our President. I never
voted for Bush but he has had my full support, even though I disagreed
with many of his policies and actions. ++++
That's how a democracy works! Way to go Scott!
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