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Gene Best Byrne Robotics Member

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From the Now-It-Can-Be-Told Dept:
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Brad Teschner Byrne Robotics Member

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interesting that Fox talks about her stirring the base...is this the direction the GOP will take between now and 2012? seems obviously bad for the Republican party...seems bad for the American people too. Or rather than going for the nom' on 2012, will she fill the vacant Senate seat sure to be left by Ted Stevens (unless he doesn't win re-election)?
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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The "secret Muslim, pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, leftist" President chooses a Jewish, centrist Clintonite with a bit of a reputation of being a hard ass as his Chief of Staff, and people complain?
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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That's a good point, Michael. I think the concerns about Rahm Emanuel come down to style more than substance.
Admittedly, I don't know much about Emanuel. But I like the fact he's a centrist and, like you said, it's good to have a pro-Israeli voice represented (at least, I think it's good.)
However, I've heard Emanuel described as a "bare-knuckles politican" and a "bad cop to Obama's good cop." I think that's where the concerns lie - that he might not be willing to work with Republicans.
But it's worth remembering that Obama is still the man in charge. I think he - and the country - deserve a honeymoon period before we start second-guessing him too much.
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Gene Best Byrne Robotics Member

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What I hear in the Fox piece is more insideous ... almost an unintended confession of conservative bias. Cameron mentions that Palin's ignorance was known within the McCain camp, but they couldn't report it because it was "off the record".
Couldn't, like other media outlets, Fox have still reported this stuff citing "sources who wished to remain off the record"? Sounds like Fox chose not to report what they knew.
More from Cameron and Bill O'Reilly
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

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That depends on how it was presented, Gene.
I was a newspaper reporter for 10 years and sometimes, sources would tell you something and say, "Go ahead and use it, but don't say it came from me." Then there are other times when they would say "This is strictly off the record," meaning they weren't giving you permission to use it at all.
Of course, if someone says that, you can always try to confirm the information from other sources.
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Gene Best Byrne Robotics Member

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To Bruce's point - Obama is in charge. I think a good leader who will, in Obama's words, "listen ... especially when we disagree" is served well by having different personalities/perspectives in his cabinet to get as many insights as possible.
We need to wait and see how Obama actually synthesizes and acts on those insights.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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However, I've heard Emanuel described as a "bare-knuckles politican"
and a "bad cop to Obama's good cop." I think that's where the concerns
lie - that he might not be willing to work with Republicans.
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I could understand that concern if Obama used his Chief of Staff as a co-President, but Obama doesn't strike me as that type of guy. Plus, can anyone tell me any instances of the Chief of Staff position being influential to cross-party politics in the last few administrations? (Karl Rove was a Deputy Chief of Staff, by the way.)
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Gene Best Byrne Robotics Member

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Thanks for that insight, Bruce. Do you think that's how other news outlets were able to "break" the story? (I realize this is just speculation.)
Out of curiosity, with your background, what do you think about the state of journalism these days?
I recall an interview with Dan Rather, a couple of years back, in which he said that with the rise of CNN and Fox News, the networks' news divisions had been reshuffled under the entertainment divisions, thereby becoming profit centers rather than cost centers ... a move which effectively transformed them into The National Enquirer, embracing sensationalism and abandoning the who, what, where, when of objective reporting.
Any thoughts on that?
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Rahm Emmanuel's brother, Ari is a big shot hollywood agent, and is the basis for the character Ari Gold on Entourage.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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Lucky that FOX didn't break that story BEFORE the campaign! It would've been REALLY bad for the McCain/Palin team. On the other hand, no surprise that with her limited press availability, no one found out!
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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However, I've heard Emanuel described as a "bare-knuckles politican"
and a "bad cop to Obama's good cop." I think that's where the concerns
lie - that he might not be willing to work with Republicans.
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could understand that concern if Obama used his Chief of Staff as a
co-President, but Obama doesn't strike me as that type of guy.
And he may not. The point is that if this is going to be an indication of what all of his appointments will be like, it's a very bad sign because he is most definitely known for not working with the other side.
It seems if Obama wanted to send a positive message, his first appointment would have been a unifier, not a divider. Maybe he should have announced some of his other appointments first.
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