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Joe Zhang
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"Kill the nigger" is not fiction either. It refers to actual practice. A tradition, one might say.
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Michael Roberts
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Hate speech like "kill the nigger" is like child pornography. It
communicates acts that are beyond the pale, that has no place in
society. Such things destroy freedom, and should not be protected by
free speech.
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While both are vile, they aren't even close to being the same. The former is a hateful idea that may or may not lead to a hateful act. The latter cannot be accomplished without the commission of an illegal, abusive act.
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Joe Zhang
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They both refer to actual acts committed in the past.
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Vinny Valenti
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It's definitely vile, but before I make final judgement I'd need to know what else was considered worthy of removal as well. Would "Kill the Redneck" have been removed just as quickly?
Anyway, this partially goes back to the hanging poster of Obama a few weeks back. That got people in an uproar, when it wasn't even certain that a racist comment was intended. There was a Sarah Palin mannequin hung for all to see last week. Is one act worse than the other? I don't think so.
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Joe Zhang
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A Google image search of "kill the nigger" gives you this archival photo of a lynch hanging : http://www.pulsetc.com/image/2004/0225/duluth-lynching.jpg
The perpetrators, dozens of them, are posing for the camera. They did it because they want to be remembered for the act. They seem proud of it, because it was societally acceptable at the time.
There's never been a tradition of hanging rednecks.
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Jeff Gillmer
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Vinnie, as far as I know, as long as the wall had been set up as a free speech wall, the only time it was ever repainted was when the area was so covered with writings, there was no room for anything new. Until now. For the past 6 years or so there were some incredibly horrible things written about Bush, his wife and anyone associated with him. Those were allowed to stay.
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Scott Richards
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It still boggles my mind that he's even attempting to compare a legal, if distasteful, act with an illegal act, as if they were somehow even remotely the same.
Blocking free speech is on par with censorship, such as book banning. That would be an apt comparison.
Edited by Scott Richards on 06 November 2008 at 7:49pm
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Joe Zhang
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"Kill the nigger" is not a legal act. In the context of North Carolina, it was something that happened a lot. Whoever wrote that was expressing "hey, go back to those days. That's what we should to do to Obama." That's not freedom. That's the tyranny of selfish perversion.
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Marc Baptiste
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I cannot even bring myself to type the quote being discussed here, but I will defend to the death someone's right to say it.
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Vinny Valenti
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Actually doing the killing is not a legal act. Writing it on a wall is, distasteful it may be.
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John Bodin
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Marcio Ferreira wrote:
I came across some pictures of Obama's African family and it's hard to think that they can be endangered just for being relatives of the US president... And I think how bad Obama would feel if something happens to them....
Not an easy solution here, because some relatives are quite close to him, like his half sisters, uncles, and grandmother... and they are not rich people... |
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Yet ANOTHER reason why Presidents should maintain secret identities -- otherwise, before you know it, we'll be seeing Aunt May and Michelle Obama fighting side-by-side in Stark-supplied armors in next summer's "Onslaught on the Whitehouse!" mini-series!
;-)
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Vinny Valenti
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And really, Joe your analogy is too much. The statement on the wall could almost be considered as bad as a writing on a wall saying "Rape a child", not depictions of the actual act.
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