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Jim Lynch
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" Limbaugh is partially blaming the states that have open primaries....saying that Democrat voters were voting for McCain in Republican primaries. I don't know if that's true though"
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generally I tend to think that the veracity of anything Limbaugh says after "I'm Rush Limbaugh" is questionable.
So Democrats voted for McCain in the open primaries? Didn't we have enough of our own internal bickering going on? I take that to mean that Democrtas mobilized en masse to vote for McCain so they could beat him, is that it? That seems to give the Democrats quite a bit of forethought, which I have to say is not generally one of the party's strong points.
And yes, Mike, it's a case of getting what's coming to you that must really anger blowhards like Limbaugh. To guys like that I can only say, "Suck it, monkeys, you have four whole years to bitch, don't wear yourselves out now! Let him get into office at least."
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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"Limbaugh is partially blaming the states that have open primaries....saying that Democrat voters were voting for McCain in Republican primaries. I don't know if that's true though. "
If Democrats were voting in a Republican primary to undermine the Republican selection, they'd vote for the guy most Democrat Leaning Undecideds would never want to vote for. If they vote for a guy that a lot of Democrat Leaning Undecideds might choose over a Democrat candidate, they're helping the Republicans.
McCain, compared to most Republican nominees, falls into the latter group. (Sarah Palin falls into the former, but she was chosen by McCain and the Republican leadership, not voters in the primaries.)
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:52pm | IP Logged | 3
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Vinny Valenti wrote:
| Limbaugh is partially blaming the states that have open
primaries....saying that Democrat voters were voting for McCain in
Republican primaries. I don't know if that's true though. |
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Heh heh, that's exactly what I did. But the reason I did it is Washington state's incredibly silly primary/caucus system. Essentially, we have both a primary and a caucus. The Republicans choose their nominee based 50% on primary results and 50% on caucus results. The Democrats choose their nominee 100% based on caucus results, meaning the Democratic primary serves no purpose whatsoever. It is essentially just a big state-run (and state paid for) poll. Complete waste of time and money.
So, given that I knew I wasn't able to attend the Democratic caucus, I decided to use my primary vote where it actually would make a difference, and I voted for the Republican least objectionable to me, which was McCain.
However, Limbaugh's suggestion that this might have happened in any state besides Washington is patently ridiculous. This was the most hotly contested Democratic primary in recent memory. To suggest any Democrat would give up their chance to have a say in the Hillary/Obama choice and instead vote in the Republican primary is absurd.
And has Rush forgotten that he himself used the open primary system to encourage Republicans to vote for Clinton in the remaining primaries after McCain had secured the nomination? Now open primaries are a bad thing, huh? Rush needs to put down the vicodin.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 07 November 2008 at 1:15pm
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Matt Reed
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| Posted: 07 November 2008 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | 4
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Limbaugh is a joke. He's a sanctimonious windbag who has been marginalized in all but the most conservative markets. Like O'Reilly, he's knee-jerk. I would have bet good money that he would have spun this election toward blaming Democrats instead of his party taking on the onus for their loss. So predictable it's actually funny.
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Jason Czeskleba
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Knut Robert Knutsen wrote:
| If Democrats were voting in a Republican primary to undermine the
Republican selection, they'd vote for the guy most Democrat Leaning
Undecideds would never want to vote for. |
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That wasn't the case with me. I voted for McCain in the primary because I felt he was the best Republican candidate, the one I would be least unhappy with as my President. My goal wasn't to undermine, but to try to influence the Republicans to go with the best guy.
But again, the only reason I was willing to "throw away" my primary vote is because it already was worthless in the Democratic primary. I never would have done that if Washington's Democratic primary actually served a purpose towards candidate selection.
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Geoff Gibson
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The attached Newsweek article identifies problems that will slow down Obama's promise to shut down GTMO.
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Bruce Buchanan
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| Posted: 07 November 2008 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 7
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Limbaugh is partially blaming the states that have open primaries....saying that Democrat voters were voting for McCain in Republican primaries. I don't know if that's true though
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Why would any Democrat have chosen to vote in the Republican primaries, given the hotly contested Barack Obama-Hillary Clinton primary race? If I'm a Democrat, wouldn't I rather cast my vote in that race?
Besides, it's not like McCain had a tough road in the Republican primary. He secured the nomination quite early, in fact. I find it hard to believe that had much to do with Democrats crossing over. Clearly, he was the candidate of choice for the majority of Republicans this year, even if social conservatives were a bit uneasy about him.
I know as a Republican, while McCain wouldn't have been my first choice (not fiscally conservative enough for my tastes), I definitely felt he represented the best chance for Republicans to win.
Sound to me like Rush Limbaugh is at his usual residence at the intersection of Dream Street and Fantasy Island.
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Geoff Gibson
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Sound to me like Rush Limbaugh is at his usual residence at the intersection of Dream Street and Fantasy Island.
Do they have tacos there? Wait, sorry, wrong thread . . . .
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Jason Czeskleba
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By the way, who does Rush think was the superior conservative candidate that we Democrats sabotaged in the primaries? Huckabee is religious and socially conservative, but he had some surprisingly liberal economic ideas. And Romney was the inverse... a classic econonmically conservative Republican, but with progressive social ideas (as well as being a Mormon which would have turned off a the fundamentalist voters). There wasn't really a hardcore economically and socially conservative guy on the ballot.
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John Bodin
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Geoff Gibson wrote:
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Sound to me like Rush Limbaugh is at his usual residence at the intersection of Dream Street and Fantasy Island.
Do they have tacos there? Wait, sorry, wrong thread . . . . |
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Yes, they do have tacos there, but their unicorns and cotton candy clouds have been redistributed.
;-)
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Wallace Sellars
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Yes, they do have tacos there, but their unicorns and cotton candy clouds
have been redistributed.---Gee... and I was so looking forward to the
cotton candy...
Edited by Wallace Sellars on 08 November 2008 at 1:21pm
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Michael Penn
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Obama and the 4th American Republic -- interesting thesis:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/11/07/fourth_repub lic/index.html
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