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Knut Robert Knutsen
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"That wasn't the case with me. I voted for McCain in the primary because I felt he was the best Republican candidate, the one I would be least unhappy with as my President. My goal wasn't to undermine, but to try to influence the Republicans to go with the best guy. "
Right. Which I why I pointed out that people who voted for McCain in the primaries clearly were not out to undermine the Republicans,
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Vinny Valenti
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So what was the deal with the open-primary states? Was a person able to vote in both the Democrat and Republican primaries?
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Geoff Gibson
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Thats a fascinating article Michael!
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Scott Richards
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Still, if the Republicans want to pursue that strategy (going further
to the extreme right) in four years more power to them. It's be an
easy second term for Obama.
I disagree. I think if things aren't unicorns and rainbows by the end of his term, Obama will be a really hard sell. Just as people who are still right leaning Republicans voted for Obama just because he wasn't Bush, you'll find people voting Republican because it's not Obama if things are still in bad shape. After all, even if the root cause of the problem goes back decades, the presiding party is the one who takes all the blame.
Obama has either got to bring in a golden age or he'll be a one-termer.
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Mark McKay
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In four years, Obama will not be the agent of change, he will be the establishment.
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Bruce Buchanan
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So what was the deal with the open-primary states? Was a person able to vote in both the Democrat and Republican primaries?
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Open primary states are those where you can choose to vote in either primary, regardless of your affiliation. But you can't vote in both - just one or the other.
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Kevin Hagerman
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In four years, Obama will not be the agent of change, he will be the establishment.
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Well, he hasn't done anything yet, so he's the establishment to me until he starts. This is Bush's third term coming up. It's up to Obama to prevent that.
Edited by Kevin Hagerman on 07 November 2008 at 2:17pm
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Michael Myers
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Jason wrote:
| Talk about "spreading the wealth"... I read an article the other day
that pointed out Bush has presided over the most massive redistribution
of wealth in US history: from the future to the present. |
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No argument, from me.
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Matt Reed
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Scott Richards wrote:
| Obama has either got to bring in a golden age or he'll be a one-termer. |
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I disagree. I don't think Obama has to bring about utopia in order to get re-elected. He said even in his acceptance speech that it may take more than one term to turn things around. Americans would be fooling themselves if they believe that Obama can bring about some sort of utopia or golden age in four years. Obama has never sold that time frame. He's just sold change that we can believe in. I, for one, am willing to give him that time and not harp on him after 100 days if there isn't some monumental sea change in the world let alone the United States.
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Scott Richards
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Americans would be fooling themselves if they believe that Obama can
bring about some sort of utopia or golden age in four years.
They fooled themselves into thinking the crisis we are currently facing was completely the fault of Bush.
Obama has never sold that time frame.
That doesn't matter. The expectation is going to be there regardless of what he says.
He's just sold change that we can believe in.
And if people don't see it quickly, they won't believe it. Remember, it's a "what have you done for me lately" world. If, after 4 years, things are still bad, people will be looking for new change that they can believe in. That's just human nature.
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Michael Roberts
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They fooled themselves into thinking the crisis we are currently facing was completely the fault of Bush.
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No they didn't.
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Donald Miller
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Scott Said:
If, after 4 years, things are still bad, people will be looking for new
change that they can believe in. That's just human nature.
Scott you have a valid point here...but, I would change it to read...If things are still the same. I don't think people really believe that he is going to wave a magic wand and everyone will get their own magical unicorn that farts pixie dust...I think the people that backed Obama want to see change, and still believe that America can attain greatness again. It takes time...but if he can manage to begin to guide the country back on the right path...good things will come.
Don
edited to enbolden quote.
Edited by Donald Miller on 07 November 2008 at 3:45pm
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