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Ian Carroll Byrne Robotics Member
King Of Pain
Joined: 01 May 2004 Location: United States Posts: 526
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| Posted: 12 November 2008 at 10:54pm | IP Logged | 1
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Perhaps Obama is a doodler because he READS COMIC BOOKS FOR FUN?
Ahem.
Sorry, I can't believe this reported fact hasn't generated more conversation
here, of all places. The President-elect is a comic book nerd! Longboxes in
the White House, folks!
Apparently he collects Spider-Man and Conan. I wonder if he is a Ditko or
Romita guy? A Barry Smith or John Buscema fan?
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4944
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 12:30am | IP Logged | 2
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I wonder if that report meant that he used to collect comics as a kid or he is still actively collecting. I have a feeling it is the former.
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Steve D Swanson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 04 May 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1374
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 5:28am | IP Logged | 3
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I bought a Toyota Echo two years ago and in that time I have not once had to do anything other than get the oil changed. It runs well, is great on gas, has incredible amount of interior space and looks decent. The other car I was looking at at the time was the Dodge Caliber, which I decided against simply because it was a Dodge. I liked everything about the car but I couldn't get past the brand name. I knew Toyotas worked well and rode well so I decided to stay with what I knew. A friend of mine bought a caliber and liked it well enough, but gas mileage isn't nearly as good as mine and he's had to take it in three times in the last year and a half for minor, but annoying repairs.
The big three have been losing market share for over three decades and instead of trying to make a better, more reliable car so that people like me can justify the purchase they try to sell me on cool styling and patriotism.
The best thing Americans and Canadians can do for those three companies is to stop buying their cars until they focus on getting their quality up to the standards set by other automakers and when that happens then they can outcompete based on being able to sell the cool styling and the patriotism deal.
Or, to put it more succintly: Maybe they can get their heads out their asses and build a better product. If they do that I might even buy one.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4944
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 5:36am | IP Logged | 4
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I read that Obama is pushing for a Detroit bailout. And so it begins.
So far the Canadian government has not said that there will be any bailouts, since our economy is currently much more sound than the US. I hope they hold fast and not succumb to short-term thinking and panic.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12842
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 5:38am | IP Logged | 5
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" Maybe they can get their heads out their asses and build a better product. "
They certainly need to do that. Problem is, they're at a point where they may go under entirely. Who's ever going to buy a Ford again, post-bankruptcy, knowing their warranties may turn out worthless? Do we "let them fail", and wait however long until another viable domestic manufacturer arises? I'm sure there are quite a few entrepreneurs who would like a shot at that, but where are they supposed to go for the capital? Wall Street? You can't even get a car loan from the banks now. The Japanese or Chinese? Why should they provide the capital for a new competitor when the world market is wide open for them to take over, lock, stock and barrel? The Federal government? Wouldn't that take us back to square one?
Edited by Joe Zhang on 13 November 2008 at 5:41am
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 February 2006 Posts: 3297
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 7:16am | IP Logged | 6
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If the car companies cannot compete or survive, let them fail.
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I'll tell that to the people in the auto parts division of the company* I work for who are getting laid off this Friday because Ford and GM aren't buying as many parts.
It's easy to make comments like that when it isn't your life that's being turned upside down.
*Hitachi Metals Automotive Components. A sister company to Ward Manufacturing where I work but all part of the same union.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 7:51am | IP Logged | 7
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I'm sure the employees at typewriter companies, mimeograph companies, milk and ice delivery services, etc. felt the same way. Some industries just falter. Should we not have computers, scanners/copiers and freezers because it took away someone's job? Of course not. Industries rise and fall and new ones take their place.
If it forces the auto industry to make affordable, quality cars that people want to buy, then it's a necessary evil, IMO. I lost my job back when I was living in Ohio because the steel industry died and I moved on and am much better for it.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 8:07am | IP Logged | 8
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"I still am concerned about that association with Bill Ayers. And if anybody still wants to talk about it, I will, because this is an unrepentant domestic terrorist who had campaigned to blow up, to destroy our Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol. That's an association that still bothers me. And I think it's still fair to talk about it." -- Sarah Palin, to CNN
"Now is the time to move forward together, start progressing America." -- Sarah Palin, minutes later
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12842
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 8:33am | IP Logged | 9
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"Some industries just falter. "
But the auto industry isn't just any industry.
For the past decade our economy has become so service-oriented we literally don't know where our wealth is generated. Any of us can drive around our home town and spot the big employers. A few corporate or regional headquarters. Some warehouses. Several colleges. Maybe an airport or military base. Take those away and all other businesses in town would collapse. Now think about those big employers : how many of them actually do anything besides push paper around? Which ones produce the value added goods that are sold elsewhere and overseas?
We are almost all living in a big shopping mall. Goods get shipped over from somewhere else and we go shopping. That's our economy in a nutshell. Letting the auto industry just die would be a big mistake.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 13 November 2008 at 8:34am
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12842
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 8:53am | IP Logged | 10
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The scary thing about Palin is that she is nasty even when she tries to be nice. Nasty is second nature to her. Nobody actually believes Obama is a terrorist, a crypto-Muslim, a Socialist, a Communist, a Fascist (besides the loons, who would believe anything anyways.) But those tags really got a lot of voters worked up. Why? The Republicans were using it in the same way they've been using the term "Welfare Moms" for decades : a code-word for n*****. The election is over and Palin still doesn't know when to stop.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 13 November 2008 at 8:53am
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1396
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 8:59am | IP Logged | 11
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I think this is how I feel about the whole thing too. We can be armchair world leaders or philosophers and make a quick decision about how the country and world would improve by making major changes, but realistically we need to be concerned about individual citizens. I think a bail-out with lots of conditions is the best compromise for the auto industry.
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William McCormick Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 February 2006 Posts: 3297
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| Posted: 13 November 2008 at 9:38am | IP Logged | 12
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I'm sure the employees at typewriter companies, mimeograph companies, milk and ice delivery services, etc. felt the same way. Some industries just falter. Should we not have computers, scanners/copiers and freezers because it took away someone's job? Of course not. Industries rise and fall and new ones take their place.
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I think it's safe to say that the big 3 and the related industries that provide products to them employ a lot more than all the other industries above combined did.
Not everyone comes out the other side of a job loss smelling like roses, Scott. You keep using your particular case as if all those people that are going to be out of jobs are as smart as you are. As if they don't have families that need supporting. They're not you and the situation isn't the same for everyone.
I'm glad things worked out so well for you. But do you really think in today's economy they can just jump into another job that pays as well or has comparable benefits? Can a man with a family to support really afford to go to college without some way to support them?
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