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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 18 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 10927
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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 2:19pm | IP Logged | 1
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No, Matt, it's cool - I've started a checklist of my own - it's got all the things that the right promised would happen if Obama won - that he'd take all my money, that his terrorist pals would run rampant, etc...
Like our angry friend, I also am waiting on checking anything off.
But dig this - a certain level of dishonesty is at work here: Some on the right* are already up in arms about things Obama's not doing - even if it's things they wanted. Like.. if Bush had governed in a way I'd approved of, I'd celebrate it, not attack it just because he was Bush. I did give him credit for his work with Africa - though I still noted it wasn't perfect because funding was tied to a condition that they didn't teach birth control - things like that.
*and I'm talking mostly about people in the media - so far this board has remained, with the exception of two posters, civil.
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Rich Rice Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 08 April 2008 Posts: 195
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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | 2
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Well, the best answer I've seen to the religious debate was the quip "You don't put your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the bible, you put your hand on the bible and swear to uphold the Constitution."
We are a diverse society with many beliefs. What has fallen to the wayside is a society grappling to better perfect the ideals that we share in common: The Constitution and in principle, the Declaration of Independence. -"Render unto Caesar...." and enter the kingdom of Heaven by putting one's personal business in order. It would seem to me that was the point Jesus made.
By example, instead of defining 'marriage', how about defining what it means to be a full citizen of the United States of America, and the rights conferred therein?
Instead of 'to the victor go the spoils', how about working to serve the interests of all citizens? rather than dismiss them as the 'angry left' or right? And where disagreement falls and a majority should win, some measure is taken to mitigate harm to the losing minority?
How about strive for a more perfect union under the Constitution? And where the bible or any other measure falls in line, fine. But where they do not, the choice, no matter how 'unfaithful' the end result may be, the Constitution and Declaration should be the 'winner.'
As of now, it's all about ME. ME. And more ME.
Less bible and more of the gift our founders left us... that would do a world of good.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Posts: 12734
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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 2:34pm | IP Logged | 3
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Three posters, thank you very much! Don't forget I've done my part!
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Bruce Buchanan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 June 2006 Location: United States Posts: 4797
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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 2:44pm | IP Logged | 4
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Al, you always do your part!
Deep breaths, Matt -- deep breaths! Remember, your guy won - you should be happy!
There's a pretty good article from an Obama supporter in this week's New York magazine (not to be confused with the New Yorker). The author says that, for as long as anyone can remember, the Left has been in the position of being contrarians who say, "If only people would listen to us...."
Now, however, the country did agree and liberals are in power, really for the first time since the Carter Administration. He said it's actually kind of weird and disconcerting - there's a real sense of "We got what we wanted, so let's not screw this up!"
Anyway, I thought it was an interesting perspective. Like I've said, I didn't vote for Obama and I don't agree with his policies, but he deserves a chance. I believe every new president deserves a honeymoon period before we start jumping on them for what they are or aren't doing. I mean, if you look back and judge the Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton administrations by their first few months, you wouldn't realize how successful both would become by the end of their terms.
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John OConnor Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 01 August 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1112
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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 5:49pm | IP Logged | 5
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"or" not withstanding.....
Neil wrote...."Obama Plans Detroit Rescue
Harper Agrees to boost infrastructure
Canadian Economy Still Better than the US
You didn't say which comment you had problems with so I found links to all three. I did notice that Harper seems to be capitulating from his previous statements of no handouts, which is sad, but hopefully it won't happen.'
Perhaps I misunderstood you, but with the US economy about 10 times the size of Canada's, how can it be better? More efficient? perhaps, but better? Nope -- don't see it. Not trying to be jingoistic, either, that's why I think I'm misuderstanding your comment.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Canada doesn't have to be as large as the States to have a healthier
economy. We don't have to have as many people for my dollar to buy me
more here than yours does there, or for my job to be more secure, or for my
mortgage to be safer.
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Marcio Ferreira Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 6:10pm | IP Logged | 7
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Al,
I am working with my Canadian boss since last monday, non-stop, sunday included. It's being tough... to say the least... But we have been sharing thoughts about economy and you said it all.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member

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Just because the US economy is bigger does not mean better. We have no deficit, our economy is growing, albeit slower than the past, our banks our sound, our mortgages more secure, etc. Perhaps I should have said healthier?
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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"We got what we wanted, so let's not screw this up!"
It's unreal that many Republicans continue to look at it as a big football game. Imagine Rome is burning and Nero is looking down his nose at the firefighters, saying "now let's see you do better."
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 17 November 2008 at 9:16pm | IP Logged | 10
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Canada doesn't have to be as large as the States to have a healthier
economy. We don't have to have as many people for my dollar to buy me
more here than yours does there, or for my job to be more secure, or for my
mortgage to be safer.
And Mike Holmes could kick Ty Pennington's ass.
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John OConnor Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 18 November 2008 at 4:06am | IP Logged | 11
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Neil -- like I said, I probably misunderstood you. This should not devolve into "my country is better than yours" diatribe...From what little I know about Canada, if I were to ever move to another country, it'd be Canada. Warts & all [and there are alot] I still think this is the place to be.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Not only could, Geoff; would.
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