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Jodi Moisan
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Hells Yeah! LOL
Greg right now, I am mentally doing this with you. LOL
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 23 November 2008 at 12:10am
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Valerie Finnigan
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But her mother was wrong for putting her in the face of this nation
knowing full well what would be said about her, by those idiots you
bring up. I thought it showed poor judgement and a thirst for power.
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Then no one with kids should run.
Is Obama wrong for putting Malia and Sasha in the public eye as First Daughters, when he knows full well what kind of racist vitriol has been already directed in his and his family's direction? Is he putting his ambition ahead of his family's safety? Or are they on board, proud of Dad, and willing to put up with some (I'd hope minimal to nonexistent, but after some of the comments I've heard and read, I worry a bit) difficulty for the sake of what they all think is best for the country?
Besides the obvious differences in what they think is best for the country, I'm not so sure Sarah Palin and her family are really all that different, at least when it came to taking a chance by even running.
In my opinion, Obama and Palin are both to be respected for their guts, rather than reviled for taking the chance knowing that someone might say something bad about them, their spouses, or their children.
It's not Obama's fault that some people are racist scum. It's not Sarah Palin's fault some people have chosen to be crass and cowardly enough to smear a teenage girl and an innocent baby in the press. Obama, Palin, and in the primaries Hillary Clinton brought racism and sexism to the forefront and showed that in every political party we still have a long way to go in properly addressing these issues. And hopefully, we'll examine our own consciences. From what I observed, the lack of the civility in the campaign did not come from the candidates anywhere near as much as it came from the rest of us.
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Joe Zhang
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Regarding Bobby Jindal, I do think he'll end up a presidential candidate. But for a different party or a Republican party very, very different from the one we have now. On the other hand Sarah Palin will certainly run again, for the Republicans as they are today, minus the conservative Harvard / Princeton / Georgetown "intelligentsia", who hardly matter anymore.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 23 November 2008 at 1:25am
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Wayde Murray
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| Posted: 23 November 2008 at 8:07am | IP Logged | 4
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Well said, Valerie.
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William McCormick
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No Wayde, not really. The fact people don't see a difference between the way people look, something that cannot be changed, and an unplanned teenage pregnancy, something that absolutely could have been prevented, baffles me.
Saying that Obama shouldn't run because his kids are black and comparing that to an unplanned teenage pregnancy is stupid. Obama's kids were born black, Bristol Palin was not born pregnant. There is a world of difference there. His kids are always going to confront racism, Bristol Palin would not have had to confront anything if her mother had chose not to run. At least not at the national level.
I realize assholes out there are going to make comments that are crass and disgusting. But who exactly in the press did this?
I heard a lot of nasty things said about Jamie Lynn Spears but never heard anything remotely as nasty said about Bristol. And I'm not referring to blog comments from some idiot on Myspace, Facebook etc. Real journalists in the national press.
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Al Cook
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"Bristol Palin was not born pregnant."
Well there goes my 'she's a tribble' theory.
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Wayde Murray
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Yes, William, really.
Any politician who has children will expose them to scrutiny they wouldn't face if their parents weren't in the public eye. Yes, Obama's children were born black, and the casual racism they have to face every day will be there regardless of his career path. But they are more likely to see their father hung in effigy, and they are more likely to hear talk about their father being assassinated then if he had chosen to be an accountant or a lawyer or a doctor. They are more likely to hear talk of how their mother is a closet terrorist and the family preacher is an anti-American lunatic. They are also more likely (as is any child of any high-ranking politician) to learn the hard way to say absolutely nothing at all times, publicly or privately, because there is a very good chance that your words will harm someone you care about.
The comparison is a fair one, in my opinion.
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Don Mayer
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So what Wayde?
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Wayde Murray
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So Jodi said:
But her mother was wrong for putting her in the face of this nation knowing full well what would be said about her, by those idiots you bring up. I thought it showed poor judgement and a thrist for power.
To which Valerie replied:
Then no one with kids should run.
To which I said:
Well said, Valerie.
All caught up now?
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Jodi Moisan
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Valerie I get it, you have a big, girl hard on for Palin, I don't. I get from your other posts on here that you most likely believe in her stance about not allowing a woman a right to choose, I don't (even though I think abortion is wrong), I would even hazard to guess you have no problem with her stance on gay people.
I think the fact that you can not get, the difference of a mother putting a pregnant non married teen up, for all the world to judge, is cruel and an avoidable issue, I also think for you to compare an unplanned pregnancy to being black is insulting. So what you are saying is, being an unwed pregnant teen is a mistake, but hey being black is the same or being a homely girl, (that I am sure her parents thought were beautiful)? I get that you think what you are saying is there are always cruel people no matter what, but being an unmarried pregnant teen and black, the two are not even remotely the same.
Oh and just an FYI if it had been a man and a democrat I would have found it to be just as wrong. No parent should ever do that.
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 23 November 2008 at 10:52am
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Jodi Moisan
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| Posted: 23 November 2008 at 10:45am | IP Logged | 11
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the family preacher is an anti-American lunatic.
Wait and isn't it Palin's husband that joined with the support of Sarah, the Alaskan Separatist Party? A group that wanted to leave the United States, can't think of anything more Un-American than that.
As far as Wright goes I would call him an Angry American Lunatic. LOL
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Thom Price
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Any parent who drags their kids into the public eye does so because they put ambition over family, out of some degree of selfishness. Obama's girls will now spend the rest of their lives under public scrutiny; every mistake, every misstep will be fodder for tabloids and late night comics. They will never get to enjoy the comfort of anonymity that most of us have, because of a choice made by their father when they were too young to have a say in the matter. Sarah Palin is no more guilty of this than the Obamas, the Clintons or any other politician or celebrity who pulls their kids into the spotlight.
News flash: being an unwed 17 year old mother ain't that big of a scandal anymore. This isn't the 1950s. My mom had me when she was 17 and it wasn't even that big of a scandal back then -- and that was 30 years ago. The only people making a huge deal out of Bristol's pregnancy were the "liberals" looking for one more stone to hurl at her mother.
I can think of a plethora of reasons to loathe Sarah Palin, but she deserves no more condemnation on this "issue" than Obama, the Clintons or anyone else dragging their kids into the national spotlight.
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