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Jodi Moisan
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People have affairs all the time, so let me guess you don't think Bill Clinton was wrong for cheating?
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Thom Price
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That's between Hillary and Bill, and utterly irrelevant to me.
And your point?
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Jodi Moisan
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Question, was Palins daughter born pregnant?
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Marc Baptiste
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The big reason sex-scandals don't impact Democrats as negatively as they do the Republicans is for the simple reason that Democrats have a very hands-off attitude about people's personal, intimate lives. Generally speaking, they don't try to favor abstinence over safer-sex, they don't try criminalize abortion, they don't try to legally bash gays, in other words they don't harp on "family values"... they rightly leave those to the American people to apply in their own personal lives. They don't try to codify their values in law and then make everyone live by them under penalty of fine or imprisonment.
Republicans... well, let's just say, when you claim to live by the word of God, and impart good, wholesome, family values in your own family and would like to do the same to an entire nation (including by force of law for those who don't share your values) and then your unmarried, teenage daughter is going around having UNSAFE, pre-marital sex and gets knocked up... it's not a stretch for people to wonder if you have what it takes nationally, since you didn't do a particularly good job in your own home!
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Jodi Moisan
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And your point?
getting a feel for what you believe.
I think Clinton abused his position as President, he should have never messed around with a page and should have been censured. (not impeached) If he would have had an affair with another adult I agree with you.
Edited to add: The big reason sex-scandals don't impact Democrats as negatively as they do the Republicans is for the simple reason that Democrats have a very hands-off attitude about people's personal, intimate lives. Generally speaking, they don't try to favor abstinence over safer-sex, they don't try criminalize abortion, they don't try to legally bash gays, in other words they don't harp on "family values"... they rightly leave those to the American people to apply in their own personal lives. They don't try to codify their values in law and then make everyone live by them under penalty of fine or imprisonment.
Very well said
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 23 November 2008 at 11:09am
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Marc Baptiste
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Jodi,
Clinton was an irresponsible, lying, cheating moron for the Lewinsky affair! And, he NEVER should have been impeached.
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Wayde Murray
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Thank you, Thom, for making the point I was striving for.
I don't often agree with Valerie, but I didn't take her post as an attempt by her to equate pregnant to black, or homely to black, or anything to anything from the child's perspective, except that the child now lives on the public stage where the rules of celebrity will be applied to them, through no fault or action of their own.
To talk about a "thirst for power" as if it's something only those politicians with whom you disagree could possibly possess is patently unfair.
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Wayde Murray
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Jodi wrote:
I think Clinton abused his position as President, he should have never messed around with a page and should have been censured. (not impeached) If he would have had an affair with another adult I agree with you.
If a member of the Armed Services can face court-martial or discharge for having an affair with a subbordinate under any circumstances, then I think the Commander In Chief should not be held to a lower standard.
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Jodi Moisan
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Wayde I get the point that everyone who seeks a political office puts their children in the path of some hateful people. But as a mother I would feel being black and having racist comments about my child, is a poor reflection on those that say it. But putting a daughter that made a mistake up for even harsher comments that could be avoided, by either waiting to run or not running at all, is not being the type of person I could respect.
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Wayde Murray
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But Jodi, comments against your children reflect badly on the speaker, whether they are those who refer to your child by a racial slur or those who would call her a slut.
Waiting to run for a public office that may or may not be made available to you when your family is "ready" for it isn't really how politicians choose to operate, and you are politically savvy enough to know that.
I think Sarah Palin is the poster girl for what is wrong with the Republican Party, and I hope she fades into the obscurity she so richly deserves.
I still agree with Valerie that no parent can run for office without subjecting their children to abuse that would otherwise be avoidable, at least on the public stage.
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Wayde,
You misunderstand our Constitutional system; the Commander-In-Chief is a plenary POWER of the President of the United States... not "who" he is. In fact, not only is the President a CIVILIAN, but the Constitutions INSISTS on it. No commissioned military personnel is even ALLOWED hold elective Constitutional office; they have to resign their commission first.
Also, Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution explicitly gives Congress the power to make Rules (note RULE, not necessarily "laws") for the Government and Regulation of the
land and naval Forces... to say that President Clinton should fall under the same, often strict rules as those under his command would violate another fundamental constitutional principle: separation of powers.
Try this, look at ALL (and I mean ALL) the rules that govern the military, now place the President of the United States under all those rules and see if he or she can do their job effectively. It doesn't work, does it?
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Jodi Moisan
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Wayde I can only judge a person on what I would do, if it had been me, I would give up the chance to be VP because I wouldn't do that to my daughter at that time in her life.
Even if it would be the only chance I got to become the VP I still would never do it, the cost to my daughter would have been and was, way too high.
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