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Mike O'Brien
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:21pm | IP Logged | 1
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Bad night? She's had a bad campaign!
Remember - she was supposed to be given the nomination - it was talked about as if it was a fait accompli - and yet, she's been struggling in second place the whole campaign. (That's not true - she was in third place for a while!)
The best she can do is coast when the nation is distracted by the most pathetic excuse for a scandal ever whimpered it's way onto the scene.
No, I feel comfortable in closing the book on Hillary. I know she's in the race for the long haul, but by the math, she's done.
I wouldn't count out her attemping to have Obama killed - or outright buying the superdelegates, but I can rest happy knowing that, in terms of a fair campaign that played honestly and by the rules, Obama came out ahead.
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Neil Lindholm
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | 2
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Did you notice that on her web page, she claims that the total number of delegates is 2205, not the actual number? She also claims that Obama broke the rules by campaigning in Michigan and that people that did not vote for her there must have voted for him. I love Hillary math.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:40pm | IP Logged | 3
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Clinton is claiming victory in Indiana, even though two counties (including Lake, which most likely will go heavily toward Obama) have not reported any of their vote totals yet. She probably will hang on to get the statewide victory, but it most likely will be only by 2-3 percentage points.
At this point it's hard to imagine Clinton quitting before the primary season is over, regardless of the results tonight or in the remaining primaries. I think she would have held on even if Obama had won both states tonight by double digits.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | 4
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No, I feel comfortable in closing the book on Hillary. I know she's in the
race for the long haul, but by the math, she's done.
The math favors Obama -- but I don't think she's done yet -- she is going
to argue that Obama wins red states, he can't close, blah, blah , blah. The
one thing I will give her is she is tenacious!
Happy to see the gas tax jive wasn't bought by the voters. Bad for you
though Mike as it pertains to the road trip.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:41pm | IP Logged | 5
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Actually it says 2209. That's the number of delegates needed when all 50 states have a say in the nomination.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:46pm | IP Logged | 6
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Clinton is claiming victory in Indiana, even though two counties (including
Lake, which most likely will go heavily toward Obama) have not reported any
of their vote totals yet. She probably will hang on to get the statewide
victory, but it most likely will be only by 2-3 percentage points.
I wonder if Rush's Operation Chaos could have resulted in some of Clinton's
support in Indiana, beyond a negligible way I mean.
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Neil Lindholm
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:49pm | IP Logged | 7
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Yeah, I was just going on memory. Imagine playing a game of monopoly with Clinton. She would be saying that she gets double rolls or something as soon as it looks like she is losing. Changing the rules to suit her.
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:52pm | IP Logged | 8
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Well, here's an interesting stat from exit polls:
"A third of Clinton voters said they would pick McCain over Obama, while
17 percent said they would not vote at all. Forty-eight percent of
Clinton supporters said they would back Obama in November."
I wish the survey would also have asked these "Clinton voters" if they intended to vote for Clinton. I suspect that a notable amount of the people who said they would pick McCain over Obama also would say they'd McCain over Clinton.
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Mike O'Brien
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:53pm | IP Logged | 9
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Yikes - as I type this at 8:49 she's only ahead by less than 10,000 votes and his strong county is still yet to be counted!
But... let me be upfront about some bad math on my part - I forgot to consider - we're still looking at contests in KY and WV, which will both go to Hillary - and despite the fact that they were predicted to always go to her, we'll have to suffer through more news stories about how Obama's out and his momentum is dried up etc and so on.
And then he'll take Oregon by double digits - perhaps as much as 20%? and those news stories will fade away and Hannity will take his own life on-air.
Well? It could happen.
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Mike O'Brien
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:57pm | IP Logged | 10
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Oh! Either I did bad math, or the results just went crazy,but now, 10 min later, she's up by 20,000 votes!
I take full responsibility for that one. Oops!
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Christopher Alan Miller
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:58pm | IP Logged | 11
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She'll likely win Puerto Rico as well but her poor showing tonight could convince the undecided superdelegates to turn to Obama. I have a feeling Edwards will throw his support to Obama as well.
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Geoff Gibson
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| Posted: 06 May 2008 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | 12
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"Let Freedom Ring . . . . ."
I do think there are lessons Obama should take from the primaries as he
looks to the general election is that he needs to make better inroads with
working class whites.
I've been watching MSNBC's coverage and I've said it before but goodness do
I detest Keith Olbermann!
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 06 May 2008 at 10:01pm
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