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Jason Czeskleba
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Posted: 08 May 2008 at 7:04pm | IP Logged | 1  

 John Bodin wrote:
Tis the season for political jokes -- and this seems like the appropriate thread for things political, so:


John McCain gives the guy $20 and offers him a job?  What Republican policy is even remotely like that?  The Republicans don't believe in handouts.  This is supposed to be a caricature, let's make it accurate.  More realistically it should be McCain kicks the guy in the stomach and tells him to go get himself a job, and offers him a tax cut on the money he will earn once he gets a job.  Or McCain just takes the guy and ships him to Iraq.

I know, I'm taking this too seriously...
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You fear the economy improving? What kind of a person are you?

The kind who looks at the future and the big picture rather than 5 minutes from now.

Does that make you the type of person who wants it now, cost to the future be damned?

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Wait, Jon - now that I think about it, I can't recall what it was that you're so afraid of with Obama - I know you think America will fall apart if he wins, but why?

What, specifically, will he do that will destroy America?

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Can you give me some examples of substantive issues or policies where Obama is significantly more liberal than Clinton?

It would easy to answer if Obama actually had a hard plan instead of fluffy buzz words of vague change (I previously posted several things he mentioned that I disagree with).  Even if he had actually voted once in a while rather than abstaining it would have helped.  He's way too soft militarily speaking (from the vague things he's said).  He'd give this country away.  As I said.  He isn't even close to being moderate.  I'll take moderate, leaning to the right every single time over far-left.   Clinton is a smidge more left than I would like but is the closest to where I feel things would be best.



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John McCain gives the guy $20 and offers him a job? What
Republican policy is even remotely like that? The Republicans don't believe
in handouts. This is supposed to be a caricature, let's make it accurate.
More realistically it should be McCain kicks the guy in the stomach and tells
him to go get himself a job, and offers him a tax cut on the money he will
earn once he gets a job. Or McCain just takes the guy and ships him to
Iraq.


I was think along the same lines, Jason. Though, to be fair, the second one
there would be more like Bush than McCain. Or is that the first one...?

So hard to tell, really.

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What, specifically, will he do that will destroy America?

My biggest fear with Obama would be that he would destroy our military.  This would give China the perfect opportunity to become *the* world power and we'd all be speaking Chinese.

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Mike, who is the Jon you're referring to? I'm a bit confused. Is it Scott?
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Scott, you crack me up. That's too funny.

Oh, wait. You were being serious again, weren't you...
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Jason Czeskleba
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 Scott Richards wrote:
He's way too soft militarily speaking (from the vague things he's said).  He'd give this country away.


Could you give me some examples of what he's said that indicates this to you?  I honestly couldn't find anything in a quick google.  He says that he wants to expand the overall size of the military by over 100,000 troops... I don't see how that would be "destroying" them.   And again, what does Clinton say that is substantially different?  What military or national defense ideas does she endorse that are opposed by Obama?

I am mystified by people whose order of preference is Clinton, McCain, Obama.  If you are voting based on anything other than personality, it does not make sense.  Clinton and Obama are very close policy-wise, and there is a huge gulf between the ideas of Clinton and McCain.  At least, based on their stated platforms.




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Once China finds a decent bill collector, they WILL be the world power.  There's not much left for Barack Obama to give away!  And we won't be speaking Chinese; they'll already be speaking English.
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oops!  Freudian typo!  I meant Scott.

Scott - Obama has a few "abstains" on his record back in Ill, but the majority of votes, he can be counted for - I get where you're coming from, but despite what some in the media are saying, he does have a researchable voting record in both the US Senate and from his time in Ill.

What's more - Obama is opposed to the war in Iraq, not war or our military.  In fact, at the latest briefing with Gen Petraeus called Obama's summation of facts "exactly right"  Coming from Petraeus, that sounds like pretty good support for the military.

(erm, besides, all her tough talk about wiping nations off the face of the earth aside, it was her husband, whom she gained so much "experience" from, who shut down so many of our bases and sold us out to the Chinese, wasn't it?)

I may be mis-reading you and I appologize in advance if I am, but based on what you're saying, it kind of sounds like you're going off what's being said about Obama on the radio, not what his record actually shows.

Besides - Clinton is vowing to pull us out of Iraq just as Obama - the only difference is that she was a willing conspirator from the beginning, while Obama, seeing the long-term and not just the right-now, realized that this was a mistake.

But frankly, I stand by my previous statement - you should just switch parties.  If Hillary is a little to the left of what you like, I don't see what you're getting out of the Democratic party.  Just for peace of mind, you might want to sign up as Republican.

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Jason Czeskleba
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 Al Cook wrote:
Though, to be fair, the second one
there would be more like Bush than McCain. Or is that the first one...?

So hard to tell, really.


In terms of economic policy and foreign policy there seems to be very little difference between Bush and 2008 McCain.  I miss 2000 McCain, I wish he would run.  That would be a lot more tolerable.
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