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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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I miss 2000 McCain, I wish he would run.
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He should have ran in 2004. Country over party.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4945
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 at 8:14pm | IP Logged | 2
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Oh Scott, have you seen Chinese soldiers? If they are not sleeping on the side of the road, they are strolling around with ill-fitting uniforms and smokes dangling out of their mouths. The running shoes instead of boots is a nice touch as well.
I know that nobody believes this, but China is not an aggressive country. Never have been. Too much money to be made trading than in making war. Also, after being invaded by different foreign powers throughout its history, it really does not like war very much.
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 25 January 2005 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 5268
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You are sold to the enemy, Neil !
Just kidding !
Again, from an outside point of view ( French and HK news ), it is quite clear for a lot of people that Obama is The candidata or very soon to be for the Democrats. They are still saying Clinton still has a chance but she is depicted more and more like someone who is very desesperate, like in " a little kid who already knows that she has lost but she still fight up to the end, regardless to the damage that she is doing to the democratic party".
Is it something Americans can sense... I mean the One responsible for the division inside the party.
Also, if you are trully democrats, you should vote for the Democrat candidate, no matter who he/she is. To vote for the other party just doesn't make any sense!
When I read that some Democrats will vote for Mc Cain if they don't have their selected candidate, I will just say "fools, this is not a way to win an election!".
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2787
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know that nobody believes this, but China is not an aggressive country. Never have been
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Yet in the past 60 years they've invaded Tibet, India, South Korea, The Soviet Union, and Vietnam.
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Neil Lindholm Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 12 January 2005 Location: China Posts: 4945
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Border skirmishes and regaining control of a disputed territory. Shall we compare this to some Western countries? I don't think China has invaded another country because its leader threatened the other leader's daddy.
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 26 October 2006 Location: United States Posts: 2787
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Why is a non-aggressive country having border skirmishes? Wouldn't they use peaceful means to settle disputes?
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John Bodin Byrne Robotics Member
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Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 3911
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| Posted: 08 May 2008 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | 7
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Jason Czeskleba wrote:
| John McCain gives the guy $20 and offers him a job? What Republican policy is even remotely like that? The Republicans don't believe in handouts. This is supposed to be a caricature, let's make it accurate. More realistically it should be McCain kicks the guy in the stomach and tells him to go get himself a job, and offers him a tax cut on the money he will earn once he gets a job. Or McCain just takes the guy and ships him to Iraq. |
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The "caricature" part of the McCain imagery involves something that typical tax-and-spend Democrats just can't seem to understand: You give money back to the people and to businesses by removing tax burdens and jobs will be created as a result. People who say this doesn't work are obviously ignoring the prosperity of the '80s and '90s that were brought about by similar policies enacted during the Reagan administration
As for "shipping" folks off to Iraq, it's still an all-volunteer military, so nobody's getting shipped-off against their will. Last time I checked, the military DOES pay. It's not lawyer-level salary, but it sure beats unemployment.
Jason Czeskleba wrote:
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Apparently -- I hear that can happen when one is blinded by hopefulness.
Mike O'Brien wrote:
| (erm, besides, all her tough talk about wiping nations off the face of the earth aside, it was her husband, whom she gained so much "experience" from, who shut down so many of our bases and sold us out to the Chinese, wasn't it?) |
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The Base Realignment And Closure ("BRAC") initiative was a military downsizing/realignment program that was created by Congress in 1988 during the George Bush administration; BRAC continued under Clinton's administration and continued on through 2005:
Defense Base Closure and Realignment Commission (BRAC)
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1973
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Didier, pretty much everybody here knows Obama will be the Democratic nominee. The question about Hillary is just how long she'll fight, in what way she'll bow out, and what concessions she'll get.
She is a real scrapper, I'll give her that. She has put up a hell of a fight in the last couple months.
You didn't mention McCain, so I don't know how well that's being covered abroad. Although Obama has the Dem nomination, I think it's going to be a real tight race between him and McCain.
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Brian Hunt Byrne Robotics Member

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My biggest fear with Obama would be that he would destroy our military. This would give China the perfect opportunity to become *the* world power and we'd all be speaking Chinese.
Obama is on record saying that on military matters he will listen to his military advisers before making decisions. That puts him ahead of the knuckle head in the oval office right now. Obama was on record as being against the Iraq war before it started and was correct about everyone of his reasons for being so, based in part on opinions that were available from the US Central commander Marine General Zinni, and Army chief of staff General Shinseki (whose report before congress that a force of no less than 300,000 troops would be necessary to stabilize the country of Iraq was counter to the Bush administration's plan to use 130,000, and resulted in said administration forcing his resignation). Both Hillary and McCain supported it, despite the fact that there was no exit strategy. I fail to see how Obama could be worse. The US has had a doctrine in place to be able to fight a multi front war if the need arose, but the current administration's commitments have gutted a long standing policy. We couldn't fight China right now if we had to as long as we're in Iraq and Military readiness continues to erode. Here's a research project for you: How many Army divisions are currently considered ready (capable of deployment and fighting a battle)? The answer will shock you. This is one former Marine with no military concerns for an Obama Presidency.
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Jason Czeskleba Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 08 May 2008 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | 10
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John Bodin wrote:
| The "caricature" part of the McCain imagery involves something that
typical tax-and-spend Democrats just can't seem to understand: You
give money back to the people and to businesses by removing
tax burdens and jobs will be created as a result. People who say this doesn't work are obviously ignoring the prosperity
of the '80s and '90s that were brought about by similar policies
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Well, what about the high levels of unemployment throughout the current admnistration, despite the extensive tax cuts? It seems not to have worked this time.
At any rate, forgetting about everything else, McCain giving the guy $20 is not good caricature of Republican ideology, it's inaccurate. What Republican policy resembles the government handing out cash to poor people, or directly intervening to provide people with jobs? More accurately that would be the kind of thing you'd caricature a Democrat as doing, throwing money at the situation, believing government should rescue people. McCain here is portrayed as someone who gives welfare to poor people and hands them jobs. That sounds like FDR. The writer essentially has to make McCain act like a old-school Democrat in the piece in order to make him look good and appear sympathetic. It's telling that the writer couldn't come up with a way for "McCain" to display Republican principles yet remain sympathetic.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 08 May 2008 at 11:51pm
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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What high levels of unemployment?
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Christopher is correct - thanks to shitty minimum wage jobs like WalMart, tons of Americans have jobs - they just don't have jobs that, you know, pay the bills.
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