I thought the quote that you quoted was referring to a literal 3rd Bush term and not commentary on McCain.

I may have misinterpreted the comment if so, sorry Scott.  But I did hear Obama say "a third Bush Term" the other night and he was clearly using that short hand.  I get why its done (politically its very smart) but I just don't like it.  I think it disingenous. 

That's a whole lot more than a "few"

Ah, but it's a lot less than a majority of his votes, and thus, you can still make a judgement based on his voting record.

Scott, are you even trying?

Nor, that he is socialist, or that Wright's sermons have ever, in any way, affected Obama's actions in office.

I've thrown out those challenges a few times in this thread, and there's been no replies.

My excitement for Obama has been openly mocked, but look - I've gone on record here a few times saying I'm not happy with certain things about his campaign and how he's not the god that people make him out to be - if someione has a good intellegent compelling reason why he's not fit for office, I'm all ears.

So far it's just really embarassingly naive parroting of sound-bites about some irrelevant preacher or outright lies about his voting record and intentions.

Try harder, guys.

 Bill Clinton showed very poor judgment in deciding to get blowjobs from his intern, yet that didn't mean he also had poor judgment in his Presidential decisions.

That wasn't the poor judgment Clinton showed.  Lying under oath was the poor judgment.  For me the issue was never sex -- it was a conscious decision to lie under oath.  It matters not a whit that the reason he was being deposed was bullshit.  He was the chief executive -- effectively the top law enforcement officer in the land -- and he chose to perjure himself.  Whats really sad is that it was civil deposition -- he could have simply refused to answer the question -- but his political mind told him to lie.  That was where he used excessively poor judgment.  We all lie -- we don't all commit perjury.

Thanks to the hard work of our media (come on, Kevin, you can do this without laughing) we have uncovered 8500 people (that's the size of Wright's congregation) who some idiots think might as well be shipped down to Gitmo.

God bless America.

edit: I either typoed or I just mis-spelled MY OWN NAME.  This Wright business pisses me off so much I don't know which is the case right now.

This isn't directed to Scott -- it just a general statement.  I get tired of seeing that statement because I think its unfair.  I think its really just politicized bullshit.  McCain's first term will not be Bush's third term.  That is political spin. 

I realize you weren't directing this at me, but I wasn't in any way equating McCain to Bush.  I meant I would almost prefer to literally have Congress change it to allow Bush a 3rd term and have Bush win.  I didn't mean it as political spin with McCain.

That's a whole lot more than a "few"

Ah, but it's a lot less than a majority of his votes, and thus, you can still make a judgement based on his voting record.

Scott, are you even trying?

Trying?  I went out and saw that he abstained nearly 40% of the time.  You call that anything close to acceptable?  Abstaining well over a third of the time is acceptable?  Not doing your job nearly 40% of the time is acceptable?

When you ask about really trying I think you should reflect on yourself first.  Because if "Scott, are you even trying" was meant to be a legitimate response to his voting record, it was sorely lacking.  If abstaining nearly 40% of the time is acceptable to you, you've opened my eyes as to why you want Obama.  You have low standards. 

"both parties are guilty of using that phrase."

Exactly...BOTH parties play hardball. They love to paint the other ones as the bad guys ("The Republicans use such dirty tactics!" "Another Democrat trick!") but they are both the same in that they'll do anything to get elected.

Case in point: Hilary's reference yesterday to being more popular with the "white" voters.  Pretty soon she'll be running the Willie Horton ad spot.

Scott, Hey, if you don't like Obama, then the fact that he abstained 40% of the time should be a good thing! :-)

(All this talk of abstaining...there's GOT to be a good Bill Clinton joke in there somewhere!)