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Tom French
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That "Summer Vacation" for teachers is a bit of misunderstanding on the part of most people...
Don, without meaning to hijack this thread -- that's so true. Still, it's fun to say.
What I meant was -- ah well, on to my summer job!!!
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Geoff Gibson
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A couple of interesting editorials in todays New York Times that address the challenges of the Democrats in the lead up to their convention and to Senators Obama and McCain in the general election.
This editorial by Bob Herbert articulates the fence mending the democrats have to begin soon if they hope to win in November. Its slanted toward Obama (by my read at least) but I don't think it invalidates the points raised: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03herbert.html?ex= 1370145600&en=738e601d04da8361&ei=5124&partner=p ermalink&exprod=permalink
Looking toward November, David Brooks addresses the challenges Senators Obama and McCain face as they begin to take their cases to the general populace. Brooks is something of a conservative columnist but I find him to be pretty fair. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/03/opinion/03brooks.html?ex=1 370232000&en=c12be709e0bc93db&ei=5124&partner=pe rmalink&exprod=permalink
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Scott Richards
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Damn school employees! Why didn't I get my masters in education again?!
Because you wanted to be appreciated and respected for doing a good job rather than be abused by parents who can't bother to control their children? :P
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Scott Richards
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I have recently committed myself to Obama's impending godhood.
That part really made me laugh considering on one forum I go to there are nut jobs trying to say that Obama is the Anti-Christ, LOL.
Edited by Scott Richards on 03 June 2008 at 7:59am
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Adam Hutchinson
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Oh right there's that....
Anywho, I feel like the nomination race is just in a holding pattern until after the polls close tonight.
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Bob Simko
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All of the news outlets are reporting that Clinton will concede by day's end.
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Geoff Gibson
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To further Bob's post -- it appears (based on McCauliff's statements today) Clinton will not go to the credentials committee to contest the results. That said her campaign is denying that they will concede or suspend the campagin.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/
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Al Cook
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Scott Richards, in response to me raising the question to him once more as to what Hillary's fundraisers in Florida were raising funds for wrote:
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You didn't? Huh. That was the third time I'd asked it of you. I worded it
very clearly and directly, too, so your claim
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sounds like hogwash, here too.
Then you say
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You crack me up. The only way the question "What was Hillary in Florida
raising funds for?" could be confusing to you is if you are being either
stupid or disingenuous. I suspect the latter, because, since the answer is
she was raising funds for her campaign gores a giant hole in your
ludicrous assertion that she was not in Florida campaigning.
Earlier in this thread you suggested that it wasn't campaigning, well,
because they said it wasn't campaigning. ("By not having the media
present and not making it a free, open to the public event," makes it not
campaigning, you claimed.) You have been far to articulate and insightful
in this thread for me to think for one moment that you are so naive as to
believe that no campaigning went on behind those closed doors with that
select audience. It may have been preaching to the choir, but she was
still preaching.
Thinking that no campaigning went on also ignores the information
Geoff Gibson's magnanimously posted about her other activities in Florida
(the trio of fundraisers, publicly accepting endorsements from prominent
Floridians and allowing organizations that have pleged themselves to her
campaign to continue to send out mailings in her support).
Indeed, the only way Hillary Clinton would be able to truly avoid
campaigning in Florida would to be to have not gone there in the first
place. No private fundraisers. No gladhanding and posing. No
publicly accepting endorsements from people whose own votes, and who
represent voters, had been already declared as having no value at the
DNC!
She was in the middle of a campaign - even if she had gone to Florida for
a few days to take a vacation from the campaign trail and locked herself
in a hotel room with the blinds closed and no communication in or out,
well, the mere fact that she would choose to do so in Florida at the
exact same time as the Florida Primary would still make it intrinsically
an act of campaigning.
It's easy to bring up the Obama TV ads scenario and say "Well Obama did
this..." in an attempt obfuscate the issue around what Hillary did, but
it makes no difference to this simple, bottom line fact: Hillary Clinton
campaigned in Florida.
I find myself baffled that apparently reasonable, intelligent people
continue to try to deny it.
Edited by Al Cook on 03 June 2008 at 12:25pm
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Greg Reeves
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Geez, is she really going to be a b!tch to the end? Just concede and get support for the Dems from the independents and the others who were going to vote against her if she had the nod!
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Geoff Gibson
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Geez, is she really going to be a b!tch to the end? Just concede and get support for the Dems from the independents and the others who were going to vote against her if she had the nod!
On a certain level I kind of respect what she's doing. She honestly believes she's the better candidate and she's fighting for that belief. That said I think the havoc she's wrecking on her party is very real.
As an aside (and I'm not directing this at you Greg, just in general) can we agree to refrain from referring to her as "bitch?" That term is just wrong on multiple levels, eventhough the lovely Tina Fey tried to take it back. I don't mean to come down as too PC, I just think its unfair.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 03 June 2008 at 12:54pm
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Kirk Melton III
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I was gonna be WAY too redundant with what I tried to post here..but I agree with Geoff wholeheartedly.
Edited by Kirk Melton III on 03 June 2008 at 1:04pm
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Scott Richards
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You didn't? Huh. That was the third time I'd asked it of you. I worded it
very clearly and directly, too, so your claim
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sounds like hogwash, here too.
Hmmm.
I aplogized for missing the question.
I admited I was wrong.
Yet, you feel the need to go on the attack? To what purpose? I could have easily avoided answering your question if I wished to do so. I chose to answer it once I saw it. What benefit would there have been for me to "pretend" I didn't see it and then respond later? None. There would be no benefit. I'm sorry that I don't have the luxury on being on the boards as much as you do and reading every single post. Sometimes I have to skim. But, I guess maybe it's a conspiracy? Would that work?
Attack someone else. From now on I most definitely will not be answering your questions in this thread. I didn't realize you were just trolling. Or paranoid.
Edited by Scott Richards on 03 June 2008 at 2:18pm
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