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Geoff Gibson
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Neither can I, but it doesn't make it any less of a reality. I don't
understand any descrimination but it happens every day.
I hope that you are not saying the fact its a
reality makes it okay?
*Edited because my first response was "mind reading."
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 04 June 2008 at 7:21pm
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Jason Czeskleba
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Geoff Gibson wrote:
| Maybe she's angling to have Obama adopt (or
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The thing that gets me is that despite how Clinton supporters claim Obama is so much more liberal than Clinton, there really is very little substantive difference between their platforms. I don't see that she has much to pressure Obama to change... they already agree on most issues.
On health care, the main difference is that Clinton wants mandated coverage for everyone and Obama opposes this. So on this issue, Clinton is the more liberal one. And I can understand why Obama opposes mandates... a mandate would be something that would pretty much kill any chances of getting a healthcare bill through Congress. I doubt he would give on that.
Geoff Gibson wrote:
| I also question whether she would deliever, at
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You're right that typically VP candidates don't have a huge effect on how people vote. It seems different this year, though, if a significant amount of the "Clinton Democrats" who claim they will vote for McCain over Obama are telling the truth. Frankly, any Clinton supporter who votes for McCain is doing so entirely for reasons of personality, not policy, because there is little policy difference between Clinton and Obama, and a world of difference between her and McCain. Voters who are swayed that much by personality (whether it is dislike of Obama's or love of Hillary's) would I think be drawn in by her as VP.
I suspect that a good percentage of the Clinton Democrats who say they will vote for McCain are just speaking out of disappointment and will think twice about that by November when they stop to consider actual political issues like healthcare and the Supreme Court. But for the people that are fixated on personalities and are actually planning to switch to McCain, I think the lure of Clinton on the VP spot will bring them in. I think she actually can bring in about 75% of the people who are serious about switching to McCain.
Edited by Jason Czeskleba on 04 June 2008 at 7:30pm
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Geoff Gibson
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Looks like Hillary has made up her mind:
Clinton to End Bid Endorse Obama
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Keith Elder
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Tom French wrote:
| This statement alone defines the flaw in your thinking. You're not
a straight person -- why would you want to be treated like one? I
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I keep on looking at that statement, and it just keeps being weird.
How are gays supposed to be treated?
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Geoff Gibson
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How are gays supposed to be treated?
Knowing Tom I think he mis-typed. Having read his posts in the past I
think he wants the same legal protections for he and his husband as my wife
and I have.
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Kevin Brown
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Funny the way things work out when people post....
When Geoff says the following: Looks like Hillary has made up her mind: Clinton to End Bid Endorse Obama
The next one who posts is Keith Elder with this avatar:
Yes, I'm excited by Clinton's announcement, too!
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Mike O'Brien
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I am STUNNED by that news-story. STUNNED.
I hate to admit this, but... over the last few months, I've grown to see Hillary Clinton as less of a real person and more of a, you know, some sort of boogey-man (er, woman) monster...
But I have to say... in the end... I honestly, and heartfully shed a tear for her. She ran a hard race, and came so close. It must've been really hard for her to do that. It was the right thing to do, but it's not always easy doing the right thing.
Good for her. I wish her well.
Now! On with the race!!!
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Joel Tesch
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But I have to say... in the end... I honestly, and heartfully shed a tear for her.
Pushover.
Edited by Joel Tesch on 04 June 2008 at 9:24pm
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Mike O'Brien
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It's true! Despite what you may read on the internet, I'm a big softy.
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Didier Yvon Paul Fayolle
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The same kind of tear she shed earlier on in the campaign in front of many cameras?...
Kidding of course.
I am very happy to see that Obama is the democratic candidat. Man, this election has me interested in American politics ! That's something!
One more thing. To be able to have a fair notion of the whole thing I also watched Mc Cain response ( the whole 29 minutes of his speech on CNN video).
Every single time, it felt forced gimmicks, wink wink at the audience, not sincere at all and most of all ( but I can agree it goes in the personal feeling ) every time I see him smile, he reminds me of a shark !
Obama for President !
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Greg Reeves
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QUOTE:
I can at least understand some
arguments against gay marriage. I can't understand an argument on
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I'm kind of curious about this statement. It seems counter-intuitive to me. I mean, two consenting adult men or women who love each other and want to marry (they choose each other) versus a gay couple who want to adopt a child who has no say in the matter? I'm not saying adoption by gay couples shouldn't happen, but I can see many more potential problems there over gay marriage issues. Adoption laws are pretty strict, and I would think that the "alternative" lifestyle might be a cause for concern for people who try to place orphans in traditional families.
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Tom French
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Adoption laws are pretty strict, and I would think that the "alternative" lifestyle might be a cause for concern for people who try to place orphans in traditional families.
Yet, gay couples adopt all the time. They just can't marry.
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