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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Extra concern is one thing. Prejudice is something entirely different, Jodi.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 07 January 2005 Location: United States Posts: 4154
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Here's a handy article:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/HTML/facts_molestation .html
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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"The child was visiting when the incident occurred, and told a neighbor that the suspect had been drinking when the alleged abuse occurred"
Huh. A relative, perhaps?
Did the "Bullshit call out detector" go off, is that an excuse, it was a man that did it and as I said, I read these type of articles almost daily in my paper and if that makes me leery of men that wants to be alone with a child then, I will stand by that thought .
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 05 June 2008 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 4
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Tom excellent article!!!!!!!!!
Extra concern is one thing. Prejudice is something entirely different, Jodi.
I don't hate ALL men, in fact I thinks men are pretty damn cool. That is why I like coming here.
Did you read the thread?
I did, but I am going back and reread it. I just think to call someone out on another thread for something as wrong as barring Gay couples from adopting, when that was not what was said and wasn't even the topic of the thread is just wrong. If that was the case in another thread someone could write about me that "Jodi is the president of the man haters club" ...........I quit last year, :0)
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 05 June 2008 at 11:53am
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Donald Miller Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 03 February 2005 Location: United States Posts: 3601
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| Posted: 05 June 2008 at 11:50am | IP Logged | 5
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I'd like to see the members of congress selected by lottery.
I'm kind of on board for this...
I think the house of Reps should be selected by Lottery for a 2 yr term. After which, if your constituency approves you can serve another 2 years...
I also think that People who spend the majority of their early careers utilizing the law to make their living, should then be barred from creating new laws.
Judges should be appointed and never elected....and campaign finances need a complete overhaul...should be entirely transparent where money comes from.
In reality I think what we need to do is Change Congress.
I've made the pledge, I am backing this drive with what little cash I can afford...I have also sent letters to my Reps telling them I what I believe.
I really think that this grass roots effort to root big business out off our government has a chance to work. We just have to make the change one step at a time.
Don
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Geoff I agree with a lot of what you are saying, my problem is with the branding of Greg, as a person, that thinks gay couples should not be allowed to adopt children, because he is concerned over unrelated males wanting to spend alone time with a child, something that was said in a thread about molesting priests. I believe his words were twisted to mean something completely different.
No his words were not twisted. Like you he said he distrusted men that wanted to spend alone time with children. He did not distinguish gay from straight. Based on that I asked for a clarification on his post regarding gay adoption (at that point he had neither endorsed nor repudiated it). I asked because I wondered if his view that men that want to spend time with children not related to them (such as adopted children) was unnatural (or strange) colored his views on gay adoption (since gay men would be adopting as well). Based on his stated fear I questioned his position on gay adoption (and specifically gay men adopting).
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Posts: 12735
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"Did the "Bullshit call out detector" go off, is that an excuse, it was a man
that did it and as I said, I read these type of articles almost daily in my
paper and if that makes me leery of men that wants to be alone with a child
then, I will stand by that thought."
And that's fine Jodi. My point was simply that it seemed to be yet again a
relative who had committed this heinous crime. The fact is that the majority
of such crimes are committed by relatives. That's all I was getting at there.
(Sadly, blanket prejudice makes it easy to ignore that fact, and helps prevent
constructive solutions to the problem as a whole.)
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Donald stop trying to talk about what this thread is about............LOL LOL
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 5744
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Al you can call all the bullshit out you want, but regarding men and children, I think there is evidence to support extra concern when children are involved.
Then you are picking and choosing when "evidence" should justify discriminatory conduct such as profiling as suits your needs. I live in a suburb of Newark, NJ. I can go to my local newspaper and post a link to a black kid stealing a car -- those articles are published frequently too. By your standard that justifies racial profiling.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 05 June 2008 at 12:03pm
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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Parents cause far more abuse than strangers, and newspapers don't carry stories reporting all the times kids aren't abused.
Plus, consider the harm being done to children from a society that reeks of paranoia and suspicion. Those feelings have a psychological consequence.
In today's climate, it would be weird for a single adult male to seek to spend time alone with a child, but that is partly because we've made it weird to do so. I wouldn't, for instance, spend time tutoring a young girl with schoolwork, unless somebody else was around. Not because I would do anything wrong; but because it would be recklessly careless in this suspicious, paranoid, litigious society. Result: Kid doesn't get tutored, and any male adult that is brave enough to be a big brother, boy-scout troop leader, or something of the like gets ostracized because he's 'probably' a pervert.
I'm in favor of random selection of senators, also. I fear the election process we have in place weeds out ethical people.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Donald stop trying to talk about what this thread is about............LOL LOL
How could a discussion of Civil Liberties NOT be a part of a presidential election thread? Don't confuse what we are talking about.
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Bob Neill Byrne Robotics Member

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Damn fools, littering the boards with on-topic, relevant posts!
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