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Al Cook
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 1:07pm | IP Logged | 1  

Since Michael Roberts brought it up...

 Greg Reeves wrote:
However, a red flag will go up in my mind (beyond my
normal suspicions) if I hear that the leader is a male who chose to supervise
the kids without the benefit of getting involved for his own child. Please
do not confuse this with prejudice against inability or unwillingness of a man
to have a child of his own.


No, Greg, it is it's own, separate, insidious kind of prejudice that's just as
bad as any other.
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Michael Roberts
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | 2  

I posted this in another thread a few weeks ago:

http://www.local6.com/problemsolvers/16124767/detail.html

This is why I think the attitude expressed by some is damaging. The
father says:


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"On one hand, I wish someone could have stopped to check on a
little girl who was obviously by herself," father Brian Ball said. "But on the
other hand, it was nice to see there weren't a lot of men walking up to her
and random strangers."



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Geoff Gibson
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By who's standards?  What do I care if someone thinks I'm wrong if I think it protects my child?  I'm telling you guys my reasons, but I'm not looking for justification.  See, this is what I was alluding to: blanket statements of what's right or wrong sound great in the comic book world, but in real life we have to profile or show prejudice if we want to be safe.  You greatly run the risk of injury or death if you decide to live your life without some amount of prejudice.

Greg:

No one is saying you are not entitled to believe what you believe.  But if some questions your statements -- based on what you have previously stated -- you should not be surprised or, frankly, offended. 

As to this statement: in real life we have to profile or show prejudice if we want to be safe.  You greatly run the risk of injury or death if you decide to live your life without some amount of prejudice.

This is the argument for profiling based on race.  This is the argument for warrentless wiretapping. I don't accept it or agree, but I understand it.

For one thing, who decides the fine line between choosing something because you want it from not choosing something because you don't want it?  Prejudice is prejudice; certainly it's more important to consider prejudice against race than the brand of an appliance, but you're still refusing to do or buy something because it isn't good enough for you. 

Prejudice based on race is not rejecting someone because of their qualities.  It is rejecting someone before their qualites are even considered.  Choosing one car over another, or one school over another is made because you have considered the respective qualities. 

By the way, I think we should include class in your definition of prejudice.  I don't care what the color of the skin or the sexual orientation is nearly as much as I care whether a person behaves or presents themselves appropriately.

Whose definiton of class.  Do you mean economic class?

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Seriously I see what you are saying Geoff and it does give me something to think about.

Thats all anyone can ask. :o)

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If Obama really wants to get the woman vote........................................VP Oprah!!!!!!!!!!!

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Does that mean that Nate Berkus would be secretary of the interior?

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 QUOTE:
I don't hate ALL men,

...just the ones who want to spend time with kids.

Ralph Wiggum quote most pertinent to this particualr thread drift:

"HELP!  She's touching my special area!"

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Michael Roberts
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This is the argument for profiling based on race. This is the argument for
warrentless wiretapping. I don't accept it or agree, but I understand it.

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But if one is going to profile, one should at least do it using correct
premises. "The majority of offenders are male, so I'm going to be suspicious
of males" is fair. But some of the most common perpetrators are fathers and
step-fathers, so to say, "I'm going to be wary of single, childless men and
worry less about fathers," is a bit stupid.
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Geoff Gibson
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Posted: 05 June 2008 at 1:36pm | IP Logged | 8  

Michael:

I don't think any profiling is fair but I see your point.

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Are all of you that are attacking Greg and nit picking his words apart, honestly saying that you are completely free of prejudices?

Did I miss the I Hate Greg Club thread?

He has not said Gay couples should not be allowed to adopt, in fact he said they should be able to do that.

He has not said childless couples can't love children, he said they could.

He did not say all men are evil.

I have only gotten, that he hates molestors and will do everything he can to protect his children from the chance of being molested. I will do the same, does that mean my son will miss a chance to spend "alone time" with a non molesting great guy, yep it sure does, but don't get pissed at me because of it, get active to get longer sentences for those that molest, because they are the ones making it bad for everyone.

 

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...just the ones who want to spend time with kids.

See people take a statement and twist it , Thanks Todd for proving my point 

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I don't think any profiling is fair but I see your point.

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I don't either, but if someone is going to claim he is playing the odds, then
he should play the correct odds.
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Are all of you that are attacking Greg and nit picking his words apart,
honestly saying that you are completely free of prejudices?

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No. I agree with Greg that everyone has prejudices. It's how the brain
functions. But one should recognize when one's prejudices are irrational.
The inability to do so is the line between the normal prejudices that
everyone has and bigotry.
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