I think Greg may think different according to a previous post. And honestly it feels that way to me.

Could be, but Greg's history of prejudice against those incapable of
having children themselves makes me suspicious.

Seems pretty personal to me.

OK I have to go, I am building a new website and I have got zero of it done, I have enjoyed bantering with you ..........men......... saying it with a curled lip and disgust..................don't take my being away as a sign you offended or made me mad. 

I will leave you with a final thought, in the words of GW:  "Too many good OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their" - he paused a split second, as if searching for a word, then continued - "their love, with women all across this country," he said.

Jodi:

Greg (and you) made statements that many (not all) of us disagree with. No one is saying Greg or you can't have your opinions -- we are simply expressing ours. Don't confuse disagreement with an attack. But if you (or me for that matter) make a statement regarding a certain group then we should expect to be questioned about that statement. 

You both said you don't generally trust men around kids with whom they are not related.  So I'll ask this -- how can I blanketly accept that you support gay men adopting? Its inconsistent with your prejudice.  The act of adoption is taking responsibility for a child not of your flesh.  You don't trust unrelated men around kids -- why would I believe you would endorse Gay men adopting? Being gay does not make one a pedophile, but it also doesn't mean that a pedophile can't be gay.  It also doesn't make someone inherently more caring toward a child than a straight counterpart.  Based on the articulated gender specific bias you have articulated why would I assume you would support any man adopting.  You think men wanting spend time with kids unrelated to them is strange.

Also, per Tom's article, a person can be a pedophile without being an offender.

Wanting to be a parent (gay or straight) is MUCH different than just wanting to be around children. \

And there is a difference between a father who leads a scout troop bc his son is involved and some random dude that leads the scout troop but has no connection to any of the children. I'm sorry, there just is. The dude may be perfectly fine and just want to help kids. But he's still going to get a higher degree of scepticism from me.

Just drawing a conclusion based upon the information you've provided.

You're welcome.

Geoff, Again here is an example of you twisting and putting words in my mouth. From your post people would gather that I believe a gay couple should not be allowed to adopt. Not true. Not trusting a man (related or non related)  to have "alone time" with my child, is not the same as saying gay men should not be able to become fathers.

There is a world of difference then a guy that joins kids activities to be in a position to molest, then a loving couple willing to take on the life long responsiblity to raise a child to adulthood.

Dang everyone is typing fast on this thread I edited because I didn't want anyone to think I was talking to

 TODD............

Joel Tesch wrote: And there is a difference between a father who leads a scout troop bc his son is involved and some random dude that leads the scout troop but has no connection to any of the children.  I'm sorry, there just is. The dude may be perfectly fine and just want to help kids. But he's still going to get a higher degree of scepticism from me.

This basically echoes what Greg has been saying.  And, sorry, but that is prejudice.  And, again, misinformed, if statistics have anything to say about it.