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Michael Roberts
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And there is a difference between a father who leads a scout troop bc his
son is involved and some random dude that leads the scout troop but has no
connection to any of the children. I'm sorry, there just is. The dude may be
perfectly fine and just want to help kids. But he's still going to get a higher
degree of scepticism from me.

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Why is there is a difference? It's just as likely (perhaps more) that the father
is a molester who leads the troops so that he can molest more kids other
than his son.
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Geoff your following statement is what I am talking about: 

You both said you don't generally trust men around kids with whom they are not related.  So I'll ask this -- how can I blanketly accept that you support gay men adopting? Its inconsistent with your prejudice.  You don't trust unrelated men around kids -- why would I believe you would endorse Gay men adopting? Being gay does not make one a pedophile, but it also doesn't mean that a pedophile can't be gay.  It also doesn't make someone inherently more caring toward a child than a straight counterpart.  Based on the articulated gender specific bias you have articulated why would I assume you would support any man adopting.  You think men wanting spend time with kids unrelated to them is strange.

With that I will repeat a previous answer:

There is a world of difference then a guy that joins kids activities to be in a position to molest, then a loving couple willing to take on the life long responsiblity to raise a child to adulthood

 



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No it's not. If I see a guy dressed in a tutu with purple facepaint on at the mall I'm going to think, "that guy's a weirdo. Something's wrong with him."  I'm going to eye him somewhat suspiciously. Does that mean I'm prejudiced?

Joel:

You are basing your decision on specifics, his dress, his manner.  If you thought he was weird simply because he was a man at the mall -- then yes.

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I think it seems to be an issue of qualifiers.

If I were to say, People who want to be involved with children while not having children of there own seems to be a red flag for me.  I don't think this would be nearly as charged a statement.

I will say what I said the first time this topic came up....I treat everyone, from the local parish priest to school crossing guard, to mailman, to neighbor lady grandmothers, with suspicion until they earn my and my children's trust....I am equally opportunity exclusionist.

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Why not?  What POSSIBLE reason could they have for wanting to spend time with him?

See again not my words, but of course Todd lives in Black and White world.

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There is a world of difference then a guy that joins kids activities to be in a
position to molest, then a loving couple willing to take on the life long
responsiblity to raise a child to adulthood

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What about a single man wanting to adopt?
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I will say what I said the first time this topic came up....I treat everyone, from
the local parish priest to school crossing guard, to mailman, to neighbor
lady grandmothers, with suspicion until they earn my and my children's
trust....I am equally opportunity exclusionist.

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See, that's perfectly sensible.
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 QUOTE:
[quote]If I see a guy dressed in a tutu with purple facepaint on at the mall I'm going to think, "that guy's a weirdo. Something's wrong with him."  I'm going to eye him somewhat suspiciously. Does that mean I'm prejudiced?

In the previous example, it's just some "random dude."  Unless this random dude is also wearing purple face paint, etc., I don't see the connection.

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There is a world of difference then a guy that joins kids activities to be in a position to molest, then a loving couple willing to take on the life long responsiblity to raise a child to adulthood

Jodi:

You made a blanket statement about men around kids.  You are judging based on gender.  You are using a subset of a group to tar the whole group.  So you would find it acceptable if I said: Black people are thiefs, because one black kid stole my bike when I was ten?  Because thats what you are doing but instead of race you are using gender.



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There is a world of difference then a guy that joins kids activities to be in a position to molest, then a loving couple willing to take on the life long responsiblity to raise a child to adulthood

But how do you make the distinction just by looking?  Do you think either party is going to declare their intent if it's something illegal?  How do you know the man is maneuvering into a position to molest?



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In the previous example, it's just some "random dude."  Unless this random dude is also wearing purple face paint, etc., I don't see the connection.

That guy's a random dude too.

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See again not my words, but of course Todd lives in Black and White world.

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For someone who was just accusing people of making things personal with
Greg, it's odd that you've decided to make things personal with Todd.
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