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Jeff Gillmer Byrne Robotics Member

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"And there is a difference between a father who leads a scout troop bc his son is involved and some random dude that leads the scout troop but has no connection to any of the children. I'm sorry, there just is. The dude may be perfectly fine and just want to help kids. But he's still going to get a higher degree of scepticism from me."
So, even if said "random dude" grew up in the Scouts, worked his way thru Cubs, became an Eagle Scout and worked for 5 years at scout camp? What if this "random dude" decided that as an adult, even without kids, he should give back to the organization that gave him a lot and donated his time as a troop leader for several years after college before work and personal health issues made it impossible for him to do so?
That "random dude" would be me. And I'm not even attracted to males of any age. Actually, I prefer women that are a little more mature.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Jodie:
I am working under the assumption that you don't see the prejudice inherent in your position -- before I continue any further -- am I wrong? Do you recognize that the position you have taken is prejudiced or do you think its not?
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Paulo Pereira Byrne Robotics Member

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But he's wearing a tutu and face paint, so at least gives you some sort of basis about what type of character he is (of course, if there is such an individual leading a scout troop, I would think any concerned parent would inquire as to why). Anyway, you've said nothing and probably know nothing about Random Dude A. Thus your "extra skepticism" towards him can onlly be construed as prejudice.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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What if this "random dude" decided that as an adult, even without kids, he
should give back to the organization that gave him a lot and donated his
time as a troop leader for several years after college before work and
personal health issues made it impossible for him to do so?
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I still don't buy it. You're a sketchy one. (Do I need to insert a smiley?)
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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OK lets just throw this out there say I let my son join scouts and if his scout leader says, "Jackson is really into skateboarding and I was too as a kid, do you care if I take him to Louisville to go skating with me, I have a friend that will let us stay with them, is that OK?"
Geoff and Todd how as a parent do I answer that?
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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"Thus your "extra skepticism" towards him can onlly be construed as prejudice."
No.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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For someone who was just accusing people of making things personal with Greg, it's odd that you've decided to make things personal with Todd.
Michael you are correct, sorry Todd
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 05 June 2008 at 3:00pm
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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OK lets just throw this out there say I let my son join scouts and if his scout
leader says, "Jackson is really into skateboarding and I was too as a kid, do
you care if I take him to Louisville to go skating with me, I have a friend that
will let us stay with them, is that OK?"
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Not Todd or Geoff, but that's pretty irrelevant to the discussion. That would
be cause for concern whether the scout leader had kids of his own or not.
Edited by Michael Roberts on 05 June 2008 at 3:01pm
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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| Why not? What POSSIBLE reason could they have for wanting to spend time with him?
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Not verbatim, no. In essence, seems dead on to me.
Because THESE, however, are your words (verbatim) from which that conclusion can be drawn.
From page 106 of this thread:
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| What is the intent of the men that want some alone time with an unrelated child?
It makes NO SENSE!!!!!!! for them to want to do that. |
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Wait, but what if the guy is just a nice guy wanting to spend some time shredding with my son, doing something they both love. Is that not stopping him from having a rewarding experience.
Michael are you saying you wouldn't let him go? Isn't that predjudice??????
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Todd you didn't answer my question
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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Geoff and Todd how as a parent do I answer that?
Do you know the scout master? Do you trust him? What do you know of the friend? If the answer to those questions is no or nothing, then please don't send your son on a trip with him. But if the answer is yes, and the Scoutmaster takes responsibility for your son and promises to protect him and you trust him, I'd say go enjoy Knoxville.
Where have I articulated lax parental responsibilities? All along I've said anyone (regardless of gender) who your kid deals with you should know and trust. But I don't distrust a man more than a woman simply because of his gender. Based on your posts you do, Jodie.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 05 June 2008 at 3:08pm
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