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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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Posted: 19 June 2008 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | 1
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Back from dinner and I was thinking, even though I do not agree with some of you on here, I really do enjoy our debates, I get so sad that people are not involved in the political process enough to give an opinion. I may not agree with your opinions but I can tell you have put a lot of thought into it, and I do respect that.
I grew up in a very political family and we would always sit around the dinner table talking about events in the world. The forum has brought that back into my life and I do love it. So thank you all!
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 21 December 2004 Posts: 12735
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Posted: 19 June 2008 at 8:04pm | IP Logged | 2
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Tom French wrote:
unless they choose to spend it on "Q" |
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If only! Q always came up with the coolest gadgets! Obama could have a
wristwatch laser to burn age spots off of McCain's forehead during debates.
McCain could have a holographic projector to flash images of Rev. Wright,
Muslim women and the terrorist fist-jab behind Obama! Best. Debates. Ever!
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 1:10am | IP Logged | 3
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It is a non issue
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While I don't think it's an issue that warrants being blown out of proportion, I also don't think it deserves to be swept aside as a non-issue. Obama is going back on his word; to paraphrase an article I read earlier "Change you can believe in" is being supplanted by "Political expediency to get me elected."
To be frank, I'm a Clinton supporter -- clearly I have no problem with a pragmatic politician. But Obama is continuously being oversold as a holier-than-thou anti-politician; his actions, however, really don't back it up. If he doesn't live up to his word and his hype, he's just a run of the mill politician with delusions of granduer.
(And how the heck did Mike O'Brien sit this one out ...?)
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 7:04am | IP Logged | 4
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Hmmm. Did Mike lose his internet access or something? It seems like it's been days since he was around.
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Kelly Sheppard Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 14 March 2005 Posts: 439
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 7:14am | IP Logged | 5
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Because he is not indebted to big companies he is indebted to the
common guy, the person that gives as little as a dollar. Seriously you all
need to listen to what he says.
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Well that is not the whole truth,
Obama's top contributors:
Goldman Sachs $571,330
University of California $437,236
UBS AG $364,806
JPMorgan Chase & Co $362,207
Citigroup Inc $358,054
National Amusements Inc $320,750
Lehman Brothers $318,647
Google Inc $309,514
Harvard University $309,025
Sidley Austin LLP $294,245
Skadden, Arps et al $270,013
Time Warner $262,677
Morgan Stanley $259,876
Jones Day $250,725
Exelon Corp $236,211
University of Chicago $218,857
Wilmerhale LLP $218,680
Latham & Watkins $218,615
Microsoft Corp $209,242
Stanford University $195,262
McCain's:
Merrill Lynch $230,310
Citigroup Inc $219,551
Blank Rome LLP $189,226
Greenberg Traurig LLP $157,487
AT&T Inc $153,005
Goldman Sachs $139,520
Morgan Stanley $136,651
JPMorgan Chase & Co $129,400
Credit Suisse Group $110,725
Lehman Brothers $96,050
UBS AG $93,815
US Government $91,551
Bank of New York Mellon $87,500
IDT Corp $83,150
Blackstone Group $82,600
Bear Stearns $79,900
Wachovia Corp $76,725
MGM Mirage $76,050
Univision Communications $75,700
PricewaterhouseCoopers $71,050
Top 5 Industrial Sectors giving to
Obama:
1 Lawyers/Law Firms $17,338,448
2 Retired &nbs p; $12,937,290
3 Securities & Investment $7,905,722
4 Education &n bsp; $7,080,084
5 Business Services $4,839,456
Top 5 Industrial Sectors giving to
McCain:
1 Retired &nbs p; $11,415,075
2 Lawyers/Law Firms $5,005,822
3 Securities & Investment $4,147,961
4 Real Estate $3,574,431
5 Misc Finance $2,177,344
No surprise the Securities& Investments are hedging their bets. The real
estate sector also gave significantly to Obama ($4.63 million), also
hedging their bets.
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Kelly Sheppard Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 7:19am | IP Logged | 6
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To be frank, I'm a Clinton supporter -- clearly I have no problem with a
pragmatic politician. But Obama is continuously being oversold as a
holier-than-thou anti-politician; his actions, however, really don't back it
up. If he doesn't live up to his word and his hype, he's just a run of the
mill politician with delusions of granduer.
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The narrative of Senator Obama really gets to me as well in this regard.
He is a brilliant/fantastic politician but he is not a different kind of
politician. One only has to remember how he won his first
primary for office and why there are those on
the Left not lining up behind Senator Obama.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 19 February 2008 Location: United States Posts: 6808
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 8:26am | IP Logged | 7
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Are you all naive enough to believe that politics don't have the issues you have listed. I have been involved in politics my entire life, my dad was democratic chairman for our county when I was growing up. I grew up in the back room of democrat headquaters.
To get to the point Obama has gotten, there will be issues as you all have listed. They are really just part of the game that is politics. I am floored when people that are critical of Obama, bring up issues such as staging crowds at events and his turning down funding. The reason why I am so blown away by Obama is he has lived his life to better the lives of those around him. He is giving hope for a better country. Just by him getting the nomination, other countries around the world, had a more favorable view of the US. Aren't you all tired of being the dumbass country?
I am sick by the images we have given the world, in the last almost 8 years. We were horrified, and rightfully so, when a crazy group called Al-kida brought down the WTC, killing 3000 of our citizens. But what do we do, we invade a country that had no connection and because of those actions 84,910 Iraqi men, women and children are no longer alive, along with 4414 coalition forces. I won't even get into the whole torture issue.
Here is one of may favorite sayings and it's how I look at people: past behavior is the best predicator of future behavior. And here is what we know, Obama worked to make the world a better place for those in his community, I feel he will strive to do the same for this country. And I am so ready for that.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 9:09am | IP Logged | 8
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Here is one of may favorite sayings and it's how I look at people: past behavior is the best predicator of future behavior.
He also surrounded himself with a lot questionable people, sometimes taking 20 years to rectify it. So if he won, we should expect the same thing when he selects his cabinet based on his past behavior, right?
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 9
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Any cabinet Obama chooses should he be president will, in my estimation, be a vast improvement over the cabinet we've had under Bush.
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Matt Reed Byrne Robotics Security
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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 9:36am | IP Logged | 10
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Thom Price wrote:
While I don't think it's an issue that warrants being blown out of proportion, I also don't think it deserves to be swept aside as a non-issue. Obama is going back on his word; to paraphrase an article I read earlier "Change you can believe in" is being supplanted by "Political expediency to get me elected." |
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Eh. I still think it's a non-issue. Him choosing not to take public funds after saying he would doesn't really resonate with me. In other words, not a big deal. For you, a Clinton supporter, I guess I can see how it would, but I fail to understand how this choice would be considered indicative of anything. Much in the same way I had issues with the way Jodi was presenting it, I have issues with someone turning his entire candidacy on a dime because of it.
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Monte Gruhlke Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 10:03am | IP Logged | 11
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Initially, Obama said that he would refuse public funding if McCain did. McCain hasn't officially brought attention to it, but he has already been spending from private sources. Because Obama's in a good position of having tons of money already, he's declined using those public funds they would have gotten.
Nobody forced people to send in money to Obama's campaign. It was donated because they felt that's what they wanted to do with their dollar, or ten, or whatever – regardless of their income or station in life. If you admonish Obama for monies donated to his candidacy, then you need to target McCain too. This is also a non-issue. I preferred Clinton, and she also had monies donated. Show me any politician and you see someone who's taken donated monies regardless of the donater's economic status.
And apparently non-issues are the only weapon available, just like the criticism for Obama not wearing a flag pin (as though this is the only way to designate patriotism). If targeting non-issues are the only way his adversaries can attack him, then Obama's got a pretty easy road ahead of him.
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Tom French Byrne Robotics Member

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Posted: 20 June 2008 at 10:13am | IP Logged | 12
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McCain hasn't officially brought attention to it...
No, but he did comment negatively about Obama's refusal of public funds.
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