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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm cool with gay couples adopting. In both the cases of gay and straight couples, I would prefer them to actually be married. Certainly not a guarantee of stability (the divorce rate shows that), but it does show a level of committment.
I don't think singles should...it's a big hardship to raise a child on one's own. Yes, it can be done...and often successfully. But this typically isn't a situation where you would willingly go into of your own volition. It's just not optimal. And you want to be a child into the most optimal situation possible.
For the sake of the child, it's much better to have a two parent family unit.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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For the sake of the child, it's much better to have a two parent family unit.
With this I heartily agree. That said I think, as you stated, that there are a great many single parents who are exceptional parents. And I think if someone is ready for the responsibility of parenting (and its a HUGE responsibility) then I have no problem with them doing it, whether they are single or in a committed relationship. One parent who cares and loves a kid is better than none.
Edited for clarity, again.
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 16 July 2008 at 2:46pm
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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Cool. I see where you're coming from. Thanks for answering! (I wish we
had a lovely parting gift for you for being on the show...)
(And my 'single, gay people with options' comment upthread was mostly
about me trying to be clever, though I don't think that single people should
be prevented from adopting if they can pass the same requirements for
supporting and nurturing a child as a couple can.)
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Kevin Hagerman Byrne Robotics Member

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I think the screening process for adoptions is sound. Most single-parent hopefuls should be found wanting, but there are certainly people exceptional enough to shoulder the load alone.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 16 July 2008 at 2:51pm | IP Logged | 5
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One parent who cares and loves a kid is better than none.
I couldn't agree more, Geoff. In fact, once again, your post expresses my
own thoughts better than manage to. As you say, if they are ready for and
capable of the responsibility (of being able to both support and
nurture a child), more power to them.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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But then you get into the issues of where lines are drawn. Is a working class
family with parents both working 60 hour weeks better or worse than an
independently wealthy single parent who is around all the time. Should
military families be allowed to adopt? Speaking as a Navy brat, six months
out of the year, it was just my mom around. Can't even imagine what it
would be like with these 12 to 15 month deployments into a warzone.
Edited by Michael Roberts on 16 July 2008 at 2:53pm
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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Don't worry...I took that as a clever comment Al!
As for single people being able to adopt "if they can pass the same requirements for supporting and nurturing a child as a couple can"...well, peronally, I don't think they can. In fact, I think there's something lacking in the judgement of someone that goes into that type of situation willingly (as opposed to someone who has this circumstance thrust upon them and copes as best they can).
There's a reason that so much trouble in the inner cities (and hey, let's be fair - the suburbs too!) are linked to the dearth of two parent households (or, to be blunt - absent and deadbeat dads).
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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I think, Michael, the questoins you pose are the type which can only be considered on a case by case basis. What we are talking about are impediments before that analysis is made. Florida does not allow a gay person to adopt children. So if a loving caring billionaire wants to adopt a parentless child he would be barred because he was gay. To me that is, quite simply, discriminatory. I think thats more of what we were discussing.
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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I disagree, Joel, and I don't think there's anything wrong with the
judgement of someone who wishes to be a partnerless parent.
Can they provide food & shelter? Can they provide love? Can they
provide a rich environment for development? Can they provide a future
for the child?
Of course they can. One does not have to have a partner to provide these
things.
What we're really asking then, is for a potential parent to provide a
partner in the venture of parenting. Why? Why is that necessary? I don't
see that it is.
Unfortunately, a lot of judgement calls have to be made throughout the
process that are not necessarily fair. As Michael Roberts pointed out,
where do we draw lines? And what lines are we drawing?
Who is to say that one type of life is better for a child than another? Every
situation is different, every child is different, every parent is different.
I truly believe that an individual can be just as capable of meeting the
responsibility for a child as a couple. I think that the notion that they
can't is an antiquated prejudice. (That's not a personal shot, it's just how
I feel.)
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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What we are talking about are impediments before that analysis is made.
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Yes, I understood that. That was kind of the point I was making. The
rationales used for the idea that only families consisting of a mother and a
father are appropriate for adopting children don't work.
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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I truly believe that an individual can be just as capable of meeting the responsibility for a child as a couple. I think that the notion that they can't is an antiquated prejudice. (That's not a personal shot, it's just how I feel.)
Well, here we go again...a different point of view means the other person is prejudiced (and nice try using the old Rodney Dangerfield "no offense" qualifier at the end there).
Whatever. It's not prejudice, it's common sense. Again, statistics show that two parent households are better for the child. I'm sure most single parents who are being honest, would admit that if they had a loving husband/wife/partner to assist in the parenting, it would be much better for their child.
That's just my point of view. Wait, I mean, just my antiquated, prejudiced point of view.
Edited by Joel Tesch on 16 July 2008 at 3:15pm
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member

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Ooh, here's my chance to step in, right during discussion about prejudice! :-P
I agree with Joel here, save perhaps for one point. I'm not sure how I feel about gay singles or couples adopting. Gay marriage makes all the sense in the world to me, allowing two people in love to legally make it official. But when it comes to children... I don't know. It's one thing to learn to be tolerant of other sexual preferences, but it's another to be directly influenced day after day with an alternate lifestyle to the accepted norm. Of course, I don't agree with a promiscuous straight single person being allowed to adopt, which can be a damaging influence in learning how to interact with people. Singles in general... again, I don't know. How many couples who have adopted ended up divorced and a parent ends up single anyway?
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