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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 06 February 2006 Location: United States Posts: 1396
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I was watching some of the speculation yesterday about Hillary's intent at the Democratic convention; apparently, she wants to allow all of her supporters to formally nominate her at the convention to "let their voices be heard". At first I thought, b!tch, would you give it up? It's over. Then I thought perhaps this is a smart way to get her millions of supporters to move over to Obama, by first allowing them to officially declare who they want; then when the number isn't enough for her to be the nominee, she can ask them to help her support Obama. At least, I hope that's the plan, because there is a considerable number of women voters who would rather have McCain than a Democratic candidate who defeated their beloved Hillary...
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 08 August 2008 at 8:29am | IP Logged | 2
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I think Obama will need to have at a bare minimum, a 15% lead in all the polls to have a shot of beating McCain.
On the way to work this morning they were talking about how the polls may currently be skewed by people who are not supporting Obama, but don't want to appear to be racist. When asked face to face or on the phone by a pollster, they say they are voting for Obama just so they don't appear to be racist.
Obviously there are going to be people who do that, but I didn't think it would be a significant percentage of people. They pointed out a straw poll that AOL news does online each week where no pollster is involved. Currently, for the poll running from August 4 to August 11, with 86,032 responses Obama has 30% compared to McCain's 70%.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/05/aol-straw-p oll-aug-4-11
Now it will really be interesting once they add the 3rd party candidates to the poll.
Edited by Scott Richards on 08 August 2008 at 8:31am
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Thom Price Byrne Robotics Member
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| Posted: 08 August 2008 at 9:32am | IP Logged | 3
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I've all but tuned out of the election at this time; frankly, I'm sick of hearing about both of them already. But every so often a few news article or opinion piece will catch my eye. I found it interesting that the last few I read were asking essentially the same question: why, in a year when any Democrat should be trouncing any Republican in the polls, are Obama's numbers still largely within the margin of error? It seems a lot of the Liberal pundits are starting to worry.
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| The bottom line: liberal pundits — following months of analysis by their conservative counterparts — had figured out that despite the best possible terrain for the Democrats to recapture the White House, the Democrats (with a whole lot of cheerleading from the mainstream media) have chosen a thinly experienced, irresolute, underachieving and obnoxious standard bearer. And his excuse-mongering just makes it all the more irritating. |
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http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/pundits-begin-to-worry-about-ob ama/
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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Online polls ... now those are reliable.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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| Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:47am | IP Logged | 5
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Online polls ... now those are reliable.
I agree. It lets people give an honest answer without worrying what the person on the other end of the microphone/telephone thinks or where they are being interrupted by someone to take the poll. At least online, the person isn't being intruded upon and this poll ise set up to prevent ballot box stuffing via automated programs and IP addresses.
Edited by Scott Richards on 08 August 2008 at 11:49am
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Al Cook Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 08 August 2008 at 11:57am | IP Logged | 6
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Sure, because (for example) an online poll at FoxNews.com is going to
attract a wide variety of views and opinions.
Come on, you're not really that naive, are you Scott?
There is no such thing as a poll that can be trusted.
The proof is, as they say, in the pudding. The results of the election itself.
(Of course, now you have electronic voting booths that make rigging even
those results that much easier...)
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 12843
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Scott, this idea that people say that they're voting for Obama because they're afraid the pollster would think they're racist is stupid.
I've lived in America on and off for most of thirty-six years. The folks who give me a tough time because I'm not the same race as they are, those guys are never shy about letting me know why.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

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Joe, I'm talking about peope who are not racist who fear being perceived as racist simply because they disagree with the politics of a candidate. I'm not talking about people are actually racist and vocal about it.
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Geoff Gibson Byrne Robotics Member

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To keep the thread alive and because its interesting reading here's Maureen Dowd on the Clinton's theft of the Democratic Convention and Tom Friedman's condemnation of John McCain (and to a lesser extent Barak Obama) for failing to vote on the continuation of tax credits for renewable energy source investments.
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Sam Karns Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm not interested in any of the candidates. I'm hoping their running mates will be less generic than they are.
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Scott Richards Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 22 September 2005 Posts: 1258
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I heard something very interesting on the radio that made me do a double take. Rumor is McCain is mulling over Lieberman as a running mate. It seems odd. Has there every been a split ticket like that in recent years? I know that's how it was in the beginning but I don't think that's occurred in the last century at all.
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Lincoln and Johnson was the only time it happened as far as I know. I can't see it happening now. People talked about Kerry running with McCain in 2004. It was an absurd idea.
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