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Christopher Alan Miller
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He's the guy we've been talking about in this thread. Joe Biden
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Bob Neill
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Formerly known, in some contexts, as Neil Kinnock.;-)
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Christopher Alan Miller
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He's also the guy who said he finished in the top half of his class on a full scholarship with three degrees when he really finished 76th out of 85 on a half scholarship with one degree.
Anyone seen a copy of the Biden/Kinnock video?
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Kevin Hagerman
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I haven't seen it on video but I know the story from way back when. And Biden kept getting re-elected! Kinnock must be very popular in Delaware :)
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Jason Czeskleba
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Marc Baptiste wrote:
| A 37-year old, gay, liberal, San Francisco Bay Area lifelong "blue-dog"
Democrat now has to do some serious thinking about whether or not to
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May I ask why? Biden is an uninspiring choice, certainly. A bland choice that's likely to add nothing to the ticket and may even detract from it. But I really can't imagine why anyone who describes themself as a Democrat would contemplate not voting and/or voting for McCain. Doesn't the prospect of a McCain Presidency concern you?
I'm not saying this is your rationale, but it seems like too many Democrats have the idea that if the candidate is not perfect, or does not perfectly echo their own personal views, they do not want to support them. Republicans seem to better grasp the concept of uniting around the person who most closely resembles their views, even if he is seriously flawed in some areas.
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Kevin Hagerman
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Republicans seem to better grasp the concept of uniting around the person who most closely resembles their views, even if he is seriously flawed in some areas.
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I have long noticed this and I have a bumper-sticker sized summary: Democrats are strugglers, Republicans are winners.
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Greg Reeves
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QUOTE:
| I'm not saying this is your rationale, but it seems like too many Democrats have the idea that if the candidate is not perfect, or does not perfectly echo their own personal views, they do not want to support them. Republicans seem to better grasp the concept of uniting around the person who most closely resembles their views, even if he is seriously flawed in some areas. |
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Best assessment I've read in recent months.
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Ray Brady
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I'd say Jason's description is accurate, which also encapsulates my disgust at
the modern Republican party. Over the last two decades, I have watched the
Republicans steadily deteriorate into a party that doesn't seem to care who
gets elected, as long as they're under the Republican ticket.
In other words, uniting around someone you know to be seriously flawed is,
in my view, an inherently bad thing.
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David Ferguson
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He's the guy we've been talking about in this thread. Joe Biden
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I thought it was just speculation.
I was watching a BBC report on him. They had the Kinnock video. He does seem to put his foot in it a bit. I think they summed it up as the pro's outweighing the cons.
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John Byrne
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Maybe I will end up exercising my right NOT to vote. . .
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Bob Neill
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We all have 'the right not to vote'...but that robs us of our right to complain if we don't like the winner.
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Ray Brady
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Doesn't neither. I have the right to complain about whatever I want,
whenever I want. Just try to stop me.
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