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Keith Elder
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Can I complain here about how, if a stinking CONGRESSMAN has to take out a second mortgage to get their kid through college, how the heck am I supposed to do it?
Sigh. I know, I doubt my son's tuition is a tenth what Biden pays. But still... my kid starts college next month. Exactly four years from now the next kid goes. I'm beholden for the next eight years...
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Ray Brady
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Let your avatar be your guide, Keith. Let the moneymakers be shaken.
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Geoff Gibson
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Is he the worst handler of money in the history of man or is he being
creative with the numbers?
Well he is in congress . . . . .
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Christopher Alan Miller
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| Posted: 25 August 2008 at 5:39pm | IP Logged | 4
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None of the articles about Biden's finances that I've seen mention his wife. I wonder what her net worth is.
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Geoff Gibson
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I don't know what Mrs. Bidden makes but she got her MA from Villanova
University so she must be brilliant!
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Jason Czeskleba
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| Posted: 25 August 2008 at 10:07pm | IP Logged | 6
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| Thom Price}I grimaced, and voted for Gore. I held my nose, and voted for
Kerry. This vote for whatever loser we chuck your way just because
you kind-sorta agree with his politics is getting old. {snip}
My choice this year is coming down to a candidate that I kind of
like, but whose politics I disagree with and a candidate who I vaguely
agree with but I think will be a lousy President. Some choice. I'll
be looking very closely at the 3rd party candidates in the coming
months.[/quote wrote:
I just do not get it. The whole point of voting is to try to influence public policy in a direction you agree with, isn't it? Why even bother to vote, other than for that reason? I can understand feeling disgruntled when a candidate selected by your preferred party is uninspiring or even dislikable. It's discouraging when you find you disagree with a candidate but still have to support them because you disagree with the other candidate more. But I still can't imagine not voting, o |
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I just do not get it. The whole point of voting is to try to influence public policy in a direction you agree with, isn't it? Why even bother to vote, other than for that reason? I can understand feeling disgruntled when a candidate selected by your preferred party is uninspiring or even dislikable. It's discouraging when you find you disagree with a candidate but still have to support them because you disagree with the other candidate more. But I still can't imagine not voting, or voting for a third party candidate who will not win, or voting for the other party as some sort of protest, favoring likability over policy stance. What does that accomplish? Voting is often about choosing the lesser of two evils, but to me that's still an important task. Making sure the lesser of two evils is elected will prevent some evil from happening.
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Scott Richards
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I just do not get it. The whole point of voting is to try to influence public policy in a direction you agree with, isn't it? Why even bother to vote, other than for that reason?
Voting is often about choosing the lesser of two evils, but to me that's still an important task. Making sure the lesser of two evils is elected will prevent some evil from happening.
Because you want to keep the lesser of two evils out of office? That would be a pretty damn fine reason, I agree.
If one is going to influence public policy in a way that you are completely opposed to and the other isn't great but not as bad, isn't voting for the least bad of the two still trying to influence public policy by trying to stop it from going the least desirable direction? I think so.
Edited by Scott Richards on 26 August 2008 at 6:48am
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Monte Gruhlke
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NOT voting has never empowered anyone. It never sends a clear message to anyone nor does it change the behavior of politicians. If fact, incumbent politicians practically wish you wouldn't vote; your vote may offset the many votes cast by their supporters, and entrenched politicians want to keep their temporary job for as long as they can.
If you are displeased with a politician, vote for his opponent. Sure, it may be a lesser of two evils argument, the other candidate may even be in another party, but if you do not vote or cast your vote for the same guy (despite your misgivings but he's the candidate of your party), I will assure you that nothing will change, and you'll get another term of the exact same policy that pissed you off during the last term.
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Geoff Gibson
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David Brooks has an interesting column on the challenge facing Obama in dealing with his own party as he seeks to re-introduce himself at the convention. At the same time Bob Herbert writes of the impact on race (and racism) on polls, as well as a fear held by some voters that voting for Obama could be issuing him a death sentence.
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Mark McKay
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Dick Morris was saying this morning that at this point McCain should pick Kay Bailey Hutchison, to have a woman on the ticket. His point was that Romney is going to do him no good at this point, and his best bet for a huge boost would be a woman on the ticket. Or Lieberman, though it would alienate the remaining conservatives that might still be clinging to him, it would be a real independent, maverick move.
Regarding some comments above, I like Obama's personality more, but I am definitely voting for McCain because he will influence public policy in the direction I want more. I would say my vote will be against Democrat policies, and not necessarily a pro-Republican vote. I'd vote for Bob Barr, who I agree with more, but I'm voting to block Obama the best way possible, rather than for the person I agree with most.
Those are your choices in any election, I think. You're candidate either is everything you want and were hoping for, and everything's great, or they are simply the best opposition to a viewpoint/policies you do not want, and you vote for that reason.
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Geoff Gibson
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I heard last night that the last time the Democrats were in Denver for a convention they nominated William Jennings Bryant, who, of course, became famous for arguing against the teaching of evolution in the Scopes case. I wonder what he would think of his party today!*
*Obviously, the same could be said of Teddy Roosevelt and the GOP!
Edited by Geoff Gibson on 26 August 2008 at 8:37am
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Joe Zhang
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The Republicans were pretty good at exploiting the anger and fear against Muslims after 9/11. Getting ordinary people afraid of a Black president is the Republicans' best chance at winning, and it's a potential game-stealer.
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