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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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I think he said that the military makes men unfit for the presidency. A statement that those of us who have served (though I never served in any combat related capacity) find highly inaccurate and uninformed. I have detailed what I feel is wrong with his assumptions.
I think it's funny that to support this, Jodi provided a speech excerpt from Dwight D. Eisenhower...who, before he was president, was a 5 star General in the Army.
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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my first response to your statement was "Kiss my ass Joel"
Ah, you could have said that...I had it coming. :-)
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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Thanks for that Joel.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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See if we were married, we would go have some great hate sex. LOL
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Ray Brady Byrne Robotics Member

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I don't know Greg well enough to assess his character, but I can say
unequivocally that the statement "Anyone with a military background knows
that you are trained to kill the enemy without remorse, after having your
self-esteem shattered and remade into something else." is untrue.
I have a military background, and this is in no way reflective of my
experience.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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Hey, I have a question about Eisenhower, and I didn't see an answer during a quick search. Did he retire from the military before becoming president?
Edit: Never mind, I found the answer. He did. While I think ex-military are perfectly good (and often appealing) candidates for president, it probably is a good thing for them to be EX-military.
Edited by Keith Elder on 30 August 2008 at 5:49pm
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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See if we were married, we would go have some great hate sex. LOL
Well, usually the lady hates herself in the morning...
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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I don't know Greg well enough to assess his character, but I can say unequivocally that the statement "Anyone with a military background knows that you are trained to kill the enemy without remorse, after having your self-esteem shattered and remade into something else." is untrue.
I have a military background, and this is in no way reflective of my experience.
Ray I call this a very valid objection to his statement.
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member

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it probably is a good thing for them to be EX-military.
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It's been a while since I've had to look, but I believe that the UCMJ explicitly states that you cannot run for political office (State/Fed level) while still serving. Not sure if holding office would preclude someone from being called up on Guard/Reserve duty or off of retiree status.
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Christopher Alan Miller Byrne Robotics Member

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Politicians in the reserves have been called up.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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MSNBC on Palin's "Wootengate"
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Greg Reeves Byrne Robotics Member

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Dang- I managed to offend a few former military guys here. Sorry about that; I'm so F'in nervous about Hurricane Gustav coming straight at us that I'm saying more than I should. Let me re-state it this way: I don't believe former military men are unfit to be president, I feel that we as a nation (or at least me and people who feel the same way) should not look to that quality as an important criterion to be president. I'd rather we as a nation begin to place greater emphasis on the altruistic and benevolent activities of a person's past instead of their military record.
Also, it was a poor choice of words to say "remorseless". I guess what I meant is that a soldier shouldn't allow his personal feelings or emotions prevent his ability to kill the enemy when ordered to.
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