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Tim Cousar
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She prefers to be called a "hockey mom."
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David Drebes
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Joe Zhang said:
McCain couldn't possibly do any worse than GWB. He's a crafty
politician with a rich lifetime of experience; the one Republicans
should have nominated in 2000. In a Palin presidency she could very
well be surrounded by the same group of Neo-cons who led Bush and the
entire country into war and economic disaster. In other words, with
Palin a "third Bush term" is no longer just Democrat rhetoric.
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Joe, I'm still undecided, but I think you summed up exactly why I'm not worried about McCain continuing in W's footsteps--and why I might need to be concerned about Palin doing exactly that.
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Joel Tesch
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I am sorry but if Obama was named Larry Smith and he was white, this election would be a slam dunk
If Obama was named Larry Smith and he was white, he wouldn't be the nominee.
If you think the fact that Obama is black and it is not hurting him with some white voters, I will call you a liar.
Sure it is...but it's also helping him with some voters as well. Many white voters really want to see a black president in order to turn a very important cultural milestone for our country. And it certainly helps him with black voters. The Clintson found out about that firsthand.
too many VP's have become presidents
Do you mean inherited the presidency mid-term after the president died or stepped down? Not really.
Also the fact she used her power to illegally fire her ex brother-in-law, so to hurt him in a custody fight
According to him.
tells me she has a disregard for the law.
Well, that's certainly not her reputation. Quite the opposite actually.
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Rich Rice
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George Bush isn't running? Well, thank god for small favors.
I do believe George Bush called Americans cowards for not supporting his positions on the war. I do believe Dick Cheney called Americans cowards for not supporting his positions on the war. I do believe John McCain called Americans cowards for not supporting his position on the war. You draw me the distinction.
From the beginning of Regan's Republican revolution, faith in the form of Evangelical Christian position has been front and center of Republican policy. The judicial litmus test has been "Are you a Christian? Are you opposed to abortion? Gay Rights?" The selection of Bible Totin' Sarah is just a tip of the hat to what Dobson and Co. are really after: 3, maybe 4 positions on the Supreme Court.
-You draw me the distinction.
A nation wallowing in deficit. McCain economic response: Make the Bush tax cuts permanent. With no new revenue coming in, there are only 2 ways to go. Cut spending or balloon the deficit. Where would the cuts come? The Republican answer, much the same as the last 8 yrs., cut the government safety net. We don't have the 10 billion for that child care bill. But we can spend 10 billion a month in perpetuity; handing out 300 a month welfare checks to insurgents with the blood of American soldiers on their hands. Insane.
More trickle down economics. You draw me the distinction.
Draw me the distinction on any major issue where McCain, nay, the Republican Party has shifted from his 90% approval -voting record with George Bush?
New window dressing (Well some very old and wrinkly.) and the same ol' same ol'.
If there's a shift in direction in the Republican Party I must have slept through it.
Please, define the new "Change". " R style."
As Judge Judy would have it, I even have my listening ears on.
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Rich Rice
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Thanks Scott. That Family Guy bit is hysterically funny. Humor is always funnier when it's true.
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Christopher Alan Miller
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I do believe George Bush called Americans cowards for not supporting his positions on the war. I do believe Dick Cheney called Americans cowards for not supporting his positions on the war. I do believe John McCain called Americans cowards for not supporting his position on the war. You draw me the distinction.
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Let's see a quote that backs that up.
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Rich Rice
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P.S.
I absolutely love the spot where she asks, what exactly does a V.P. do every day?
How could they not flood, I mean absolutely FLOOD the airwaves with that little ditty in campaign commercials, like forever and a day???
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Christopher Alan Miller
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The VP apart from his two constitutional duties does whatever the current President allows him to do. Before the last 50 years they did practically nothing. Presidents often went years without even having a Vice- President. Truman didn't have a Vice- President for nearly four years.
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Joel Tesch
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If McCain = Bush, then why are so many conservatives displeased that he's the Republican candidate?
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Al Cook
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...and for the last almost eight years, the President has done just what the
V.P. has asked him to...
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Jodi Moisan
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Joel I think McCain is different than Bush, I just think he is too much of a hawk, and he doesn't inspire a hopeful feeling. And if he had picked Lieberman I would have said he was a shoe in, he would not have lost his conservative base, no way, no how. But he would have gained those that were borderline Dems and undecided. I think that would have been very historical too.
Do you mean inherited the presidency mid-term after the president died or stepped down? Not really.
In my lifetime Lyndon Johnson and Gerald Ford have become, the president, that makes 2 VP's out of 7 elected Presidents. That is a pretty high percentage of VP's that have become president, without ever getting a vote.
edited to add, How could they not flood, I mean absolutely FLOOD the airwaves with that little ditty in campaign commercials, like forever and a day???
I agree 100%
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 31 August 2008 at 9:46pm
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Robin Taylor
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Joel Tesch wrote:
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I may be wrong here but white or not, no other democratic (or republican) in recent years has had the ability to INSPIRE. So I disagree with the above statement. Obama's been black helped & hurt him in his campaign but his words are what gave him a campaign at all.
What I don't understand is how can anyone listen to Mcain speak and be inspired or believe this is man who wants to lead his country, and improve its standing with the rest of the world? I hear him speak and I see a career politician following an agenda already in play.
I am not naive enough to think Obama is unscathed by the slimebath that is politics but at least he is trying to rise above it, or better, inspire his nation to rise above, inside of wallowing with the rest of the sleaze.
I wish our parties had someone who wasn't a weasel and could inspire.
RT
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