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Marc Baptiste
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Obama is not really my candidate. I voted for Al Gore by way of a write-in vote in the primary (not liking either Obama or Hillary). I have recently come to the conclusion that I would have preferred Hillary win over Obama in the primary. And, although I don't want McCain to win, I haven't yet decided whether or not to pull the lever for Obama in November. As I come from a deeply blue state, and we are still under the Electoral College/winner-take-all system, I have the luxury of casting a protest vote or not voting in the presidential contest at all.
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Thom Price
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Obama is not really my candidate. I voted for Al Gore by way of a
write-in vote in the primary (not liking either Obama or Hillary). I
have recently come to the conclusion that I would have preferred
Hillary win over Obama in the primary.
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On this, I'm in agreement with. Now that the heat of the primary is over, I realize that my passionate support of Hillary was directly proportional to my dislike of Obama. But I would still take her in a heartbeat over Obama. Although I have some issues with him, I probably would have chosen Gore over either of them. Come to think of it, a Gore-H.Clinton ticket would have made me cream my pants.
Edited by Thom Price on 01 September 2008 at 1:34pm
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Daniel Presedo
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Regardless - Gov. Palin is the epitome of what America stands for. She exhibits the traits that have made America great. A mother of five, a conservative, a person who has lived life and succeeded in city council, mayor and now governor.
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Al Cook
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"Conservative" is a trait that made America great?
Well, you are entitled to your opinion, Daniel.
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David Ferguson
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I don't Gore would touch the presidency with a barge-pole now although its not unheard for a losing candidate to become president years later. Richard Nixon. Hmmm.
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Steven Myers
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Both Obama and McCain have been very vocal about not liking attacks on anything other than real political issues. But it is noted, with all the other outlets, they don't have to make such attacks anymore. Just like Bush never had to mention "swift boat".
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Marc Baptiste
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Daniel,
America's founders were anything but "conservative" they were in fact radical rebels against the established order.
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Matt Reed
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Daniel Presedo wrote:
| Gov. Palin is the epitome of what America stands for. She exhibits the traits that have made America great. A mother of five, a conservative, a person who has lived life and succeeded in city council, mayor and now governor. |
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Like Al, I question being conservative as something America stands for. Yes, we are a conservative country compared to the rest of the world, but being conservative in and of itself isn't the "epitome of what America stands for". That certainly doesn't represent me.
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Keith Elder
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Well, list out the principles the founding fathers fought to establish. It's not as simple as "liberalism" or "conservatism". In many ways, the republicans are closer to the original principles that made the country great, and in many ways the democrats are closer.
Because that change at that time was good, doesn't mean that "Change is GOOD". But it also illustrates that not all change is bad.
The problem for me, is that I'm suspicious of all major current politicians, in either party, and whether they'll have the wisdom and character to implement good changes.
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Kevin Hagerman
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There are times when the conservative approach is better, and times when the liberal approach is better - and times when I can't figure out how the sides got divvied up! Why are conservatives opposed to reproductive rights? Why are liberals on the side of hate crime legislation?
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William McCormick
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I really hope they don't go after her daughter. But for many years the "moral" party in this country has done everything they could to smear anyone who has got in their way. From people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly to Bush's own little attack dog Karl Rove. They've gone after John Kerry and John McCain and tried to make it look like their service to our country wasn't quite good enough.
They've gone after the Clinton's. Even sinking so far as to attack a little girl because she just happened to be their daughter. And not about anything she did, but about how she looked.
My point is this: Don't get pissed about the current state of American political discourse in this country when for years you've allowed people like the above named to speak for you. Your silence was all the consent they needed to continue doing what they do.
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David Drebes
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Kevin, that is a great mystery to me as well.
The most conservative stance on drug laws would be to let the free market take care of it, or at least let the states decide. That's one example of how "conservative" and "republican" not interchangeable. Likewise "liberal" and "democrat."
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