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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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The new one is that Palin was a member of an Alaskan separatist party. They want Alaskans to vote on leaving the Union. They're also against environmental regulations, taxes, the usual right wing stuff. Nothing that would offend GWB's base.
Edited by Joe Zhang on 02 September 2008 at 11:02am
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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Rich wrote:
Point 2. The Supreme Court appointments and gay rights.
Stated in brief and on paper, what could more simple than a Christian desiring Christian leaning Supreme Court nominees?
Now, let's jump out into the real world. A while back, a year or so after 9-11,I had a private conversation with a University Administrator at the college where I work. And at one point, can't recall what brought this up, he leaned forward and said to me in confidence....[SNIP]... |
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Way to ply that stream of consciousness, Rich. I think you lost me at your relaying of your so-called private conversation...and the lack of relevance it offered with regard to the Supreme Court.
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| "And so to with the Supreme Court. To use that Judicial body as a means to encode in law matters involving faith in a way that would disenfranchise people a means to redress issues of employment, taxation, hospitalization. It is -forgive the hyperbole- outrageous. |
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Is this the case as you see it? How so? Any examples?
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Todd Douglas Byrne Robotics Member

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| And when did it start being OK to be using a candidates (especially underage) children against them in such a vile and personal way? SNL caught flack for doing something on Chelsea Clinton over a decade ago, and recently, even now that she's a grown woman, NBC caught hell for so much as saying she was being 'pimped out' (gosh... "Those kids and their new, hip lingo") for her mom's campaign. It's not Governor Palin who's becoming a punchline, it's her 17 year old daughter. Poor form, regardless of which side is doing it. |
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I'm a bit torn on this one, personally.
On the one hand, it certainly makes sense to keep a candidate's family off of the proverbial table.
On the other hand, when the candidate in question (and her running mate/potential "boss") are both propontents of "abstinence only" programs serving as sex education, to have that candidate's underage daughter get pregnant serves as a bit of a spotlight on the candidate's position. "So...how'd that 'abstinence only' education turn out for your family?"
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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Rich wrote:
"No new taxes."
Ah,
Christmas in July. Here's where America is in serious need of getting
real and getting there real fast. Politicians love to use that line.
Looks great on paper. Works well in sound bites. A sure fire way to get
elected and stay there. -Assuming all you're really interested in is
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I take it, you think raising taxes on individuals is the proper response to something like the recent Republic trend of almost unchecked spending?
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Michael Myers Byrne Robotics Member

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Governor Palin was not the right choice by McCain, in my opinion. And, I couldn't possibly care less about her personal life or that of her family. If anyone on the Republican side was counting on Senator Biden living up to form, they should be doing cartwheels in anticipation of Governor Palin making the rounds.
It isn't so much the experience angle that the governor damages--McCain, justified or not, seems to have won that battle at the outset---but rather Senator Obama's "judgement" question which she highlights. Governor Palin is an example of sure judgement with regard to selection of a possible Vice-President of the United States of America? Or, a flawed calculation based on nothing so much as immediate campaign needs?
Edited by Michael Myers on 02 September 2008 at 11:15am
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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On the other hand, when the candidate in question (and her running mate/potential "boss") are both propontents of "abstinence only" programs serving as sex education, to have that candidate's underage daughter get pregnant serves as a bit of a spotlight on the candidate's position. "So...how'd that 'abstinence only' education turn out for your family?"
Todd, I see your point...but also, her daughter's case is just one particular instance. It certainly isn't appropriate (or even useful) to use that as proof against "abstinence only." It would be like if Palin had a family member killed in a car accident while wearing a seatbelt. It doesn't prove that wearing a seatbelt is a bad practice. With that in mind, I don't think it's relevant enough to warrant bringing her daughter into the debate.
Michael: your posts raised some very interesting points! You definitely gave me some things to mull over. Well done.
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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"but rather Senator Obama's "judgement" question which she highlights. Governor Palin is an example of sure judgement with regard to selection of a possible Vice-President of the United States of America? Or, a flawed calculation based on nothing so much as immediate campaign needs?"
Bingo.
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Joe Zhang Byrne Robotics Member

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. "So...how'd that 'abstinence only' education turn out for your family?"
Politicians are professional hypocrites, and in this case the hypocrisy came back to bite.
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Joel Tesch Byrne Robotics Member

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Politicians are professional hypocrites, and in this case the hypocrisy came back to bite.
Not really in this case.
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member

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If hypocrite means they have their kid under lock and key, 24/7 ~ like every other parent on the face of the Earth ~ ... yes.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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I'm not sure she can be called a hypocrite for her daughter's actions. Harping on her daughter is not going to help the democrats. Palin's gaffes and misteps, sure. Her daughter? That's Daily Kos Rant stuff, and turns people away.
I don't think McCain, Obama, or Biden want to start bringing all their relatives into the spotlight. That's a lose-lose for everyone.
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Michael Casselman Byrne Robotics Member

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If it's off-limits, why are the Republicans trying to spin it as a positive?
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As opposed to....? How are they supposed to spin it? I suppose correct PR would be "Y'know, I guess she is a slut after all... Anywho, back to the issues...."
The original 'spin' was that Palin's Down Syndrome baby wasn't her's and that it was her daughters. And there are those nutjobs out there who are still looking for that nugget to be true, despite their inability to do math when calculating delivery dates vs. expecting dates for her daughter.
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