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Todd Douglas
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If it was a man with a teenage daughter that is pregnant, with the man running for Vice President, and in support of abstinence-only education...yeah...it probably would be an issue.
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Al Cook
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I don't have a candidate in this election (the U.S. being a foreign country
and all), so I haven't done some of the critical thinking an actual voter
would have by this point, but here are just five things that are important
to me, off the top of my head.
1.) A quick, diplomatic withdrawal from Iraq -- OBAMA: Yes. MCCAIN:
No.
2.) Decisive action & recommitment in Afghanistan -- [I have no data at hand]
3.) Releasing artificial controls on important medical research (i.e.: Stem
Cells) -- [I have no data at hand]
4.) Gay Rights. Hell, all equal rights. -- OBAMA: Waffler MCCAIN: NO
5.) Protection of the environment. -- OBAMA: Yes, sorta. MCCAIN: Not
really.
Since I don't have a candidate, I threw them both in. An interesting
exercise! I imagine that every single person in this thread who is closely
following their candidate of choice and that cadidate's platform will have
no trouble answering it with a clear, more detailed answer of their
candidate's position on each point that is important to them. Looking
forward to seeing who will give it a whirl!
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Daniel Presedo
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>>Let me ask this of the people on here, list 5 things that are most important to you and how does your candidate support those issues?<<
1. The folks they associate with
2. Consistent values
3-5. Misc. issues
Although Obama is a likable fellow he runs (ran) with a strange crowd.
2. He (and his wife) value a more socialized form of gov't.
3-5. Not enough time today... Disagree more than agree
McCain
1. Is not perfect but more comfortable crowd.
2. I don't agree with his immigration policies and a few other things but he is more aligned were I think we should be going.
3-5. Not enough time today... Agree more than disagree
You already know my feelings on Palin (see previous post by me) And based on many of your comments and logic, I think you're throwing stones form glass a house...
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Al Cook
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How does the answer "He (and his wife) value a more socialized form of
gov't." relate to Consistent values, Daniel? Strikes me they've been
consistent on that front.
Did you mean to list Conservative Values instead?
Thanks in advance for the clarification.
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Keith Elder
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David: There are some great new photos of the daughter showing underage
drinking (well, underage holding of alcoholic beverage, anyway) and
brandishing firearms with her beau.
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Yes, drinking is bad. Can I mention that Obama was doing hard drugs at 18?
There is nothing wrong with a daughter who handles firearms. Actually, I count that as a plus.
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Keith Elder
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By the way, I don't CARE what Obama did when he was 18. It's irrelevant, which is kind of my point.
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Kevin Hagerman
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- Abortion rights - Obama favors
- Gay rights - Obama demurs/opposes
- Foreign policy - Obama plans to turn 180 degrees from Bush, so me likey. Plus looney-tunes who think all Muslims are terrorists thinks we're doomed if Obama gets elected, so Obama gets bonus points from me.
- Taxes - Obama's floated a middle-class income tax cut and maybe even a payroll tax cut, as well as killing the Bush tax cut, so me likey again.
- Spending - No one ever cuts spending.
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Al Cook
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There. Wasn't that easy?
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David Schimmel
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And again, my statement is not that the photos are good nor bad, just
saying that your child's actions reflect on who you are as a parent, whether
you want them to or not. Particularly when they are under the age of 18.
Many folks who have seen the pics do indeed appreciate the fact that she
has the weapons and looks like she knows how to use them!
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Keith Elder
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Kevin: I do think the campaigning process would have to season one somewhat - especially the historic slog Obama just wrapped up.
You know, that's a good point. Our ridiculously long and tortuous two-year-long campaign season does serve as a bit of a filtering mechanism and trial-by-fire. Fred Thompson, for instance; kind of likable, but he just didn't seem to have the fortitude or fire in the belly. Simply surviving the campaign is probably invaluable experience in itself.
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Tom French
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By the way, I don't CARE what Obama did when he was 18. It's irrelevant, which is kind of my point.
Bush called it "distant past." Even though he and Cheney had five arrests between them, they didn't "count" because they were in the "distant past."
Why would it count for Obama, McCain, or anyone then? How long do we suffer the mistakes of our youth?
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Keith Elder
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(1) Energy policy, particularly investing in nuclear.
(2) Taxes. At the least, don't raise them.
(3) Budget. At the least, don't raise it.
(4) Iraq. Stay as long as Iraq stability requires.
(5) Leave us alone.
I could go on repeating point #5. I have not found a candidate that fits those requirements; Ron Paul was closest, but he wanted to bail immediately out of Iraq. McCain; eh. Mixed. I'm going to end up picking the least worst.
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