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Al Cook
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Posted: 02 September 2008 at 4:51pm | IP Logged | 1  


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By the way, I don't CARE what Obama did when he was 18


Did you catch the guy the other day who was trying to equate drug use with
drunk driving? Unbelievable. There is no indication that Obama ever
endangered anyone other than himself with his drug use. Drunk driving, on
the other hand, is by it's very nature an act of public endangerment and
violent crime.
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Keith Elder
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Interesting idea:  If McCain does happen to win, 2012 could conceivably end up with a Hillary vs Palin ticket.


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Kevin Hagerman
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McCain doesn't need to win for that scenario to happen!  Unless the nation's deliriously happy with Obama I could see Hillary running in 2012.
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By the way, I don't CARE what Obama did when he was 18.  It's irrelevant, which is kind of my point.

Exactly.  What the candidates did when they were younger doesn't matter a whole lot.  What their families did when they were younger matters even less (like Palin's husband) since it's not the candidate.  People could go on about Obama's illegal drug use or Bush's legal drinking but illegal driving under the influence (though to be fair we don't know if Obama drove while doing drugs just that he wasn't caught) but it really doesn't matter in the present.

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Scott Richards
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Unless the nation's deliriously happy with Obama I could see Hillary running in 2012.

I fully expect Clinton to run in 2012 regardless of who wins in November.

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Joel Tesch
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There is nothing wrong with a daughter who handles firearms.

You know...there's a shotgun wedding joke in here somewhere.

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Keith Elder
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Al:  Drunk Driving vs drug use.

Some similarities and some differences.  Lapses in good judgment?  Yeah, they're both examples of stupid past behavior.  But drunk driving endangers others, so it is legitimately much more condemnable and punishable.

On the other hand, neither Obama nor Palin has driven drunk, and they both used marijuana when they were young, so... what's the point again?
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Joel Tesch
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Did you catch the guy the other day who was trying to equate drug use with drunk driving? Unbelievable. There is no indication that Obama ever endangered anyone other than himself with his drug use.

You could make the argument that illegal drug use of hard drugs like coke, heroin or crack DOES endanger others bc they support the illegal drug trade (which is is responsible for drug-related shootings, violence  etc., etc.).  

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Al Cook
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Posted: 02 September 2008 at 5:19pm | IP Logged | 9  

I see your point, Joel. Still, it's just not as 'hands-on' as getting behind the
wheel drunk. Driving drunk is a much more proactive way to be an asshole
and directly endanger the safety and very lives of innocents.

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Michael Myers
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I think Scott's point was legitimate, but I'll play, too...

1.  greater dedication to free-market economy:  Sen. McCain
2.  favors Originalist interpretation of US Constitution:  Sen. McCain
3.  pledged to rein in spending:  Sen. McCain/Sen. Obama  (this might be a wash, despite McCain's death grip on this issue)
4.  provides the opportunity to possibly tone down divisive atmosphere:  Sen. Obama (believe it when it happens, but Sen. Obama might have the edge if he can rein in the rhetoric of his extremist supporters)
5.  Iraq/America abroad:  Sen. McCain 


On the plus side: Sen. Obama provides an opportunity for America to take a forward step along a variety of avenues, notably the first African American President of the US; preferred his SAFE Act to Patriot Act; has supported reinstating of PAYGO with regard to government spending; supports better system of employer crackdown on hiring of illegal immigrants; harbor a clear respect for his Responsible Fatherhood and Healthy Families Act (issue is unaddressed by McCain); etc.

Downside: clearly sympathetic to socialist theory/leaning in core beliefs; foundational foreign policy theory; cap-and-trade energy plan; health care program; general immigration stance; 2nd Amendment stance (in this case repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment); reform of bankruptcy laws; etc.

Note:  Sen. Obama doesn't offer an actual history as either an executive leader or legislator to legitimately, clearly judge the pros and cons of what amount to campaign promises to the same degree as that of Sen. McCain's record

On the plus side:  Sen. McCain tackling spending is about the only thing I can truly count on him for (his actual successes in this area remain to be seen); GREATLY respected his spearheading of Republican resistance to Republican attempts to subvert the Constitution regarding the filibuster; supporter of unemployment insurance reform; full on supporter of nuclear energy; opposes marginal tax rate increase; supports cut in corporate tax-rate; supports rollback of ethanol mandate; supports repeal of AMT; called the Republican efforts at a same sex marriage ban what they were: Un-Republican; etc.

Downside: simply don't care for the guy; voted against Bush tax cuts in 01 & 03; McCain-Feingold Campaign finance reform; voted against drilling in ANWAR; McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform; term of service as Washington player; support of the so-called HOME plan; etc.



Edited by Michael Myers on 02 September 2008 at 5:32pm
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Matthew Chartrand
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Because people never get high and make a White Castle run.
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Jodi Moisan
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Let me ask this of the people on here, list 5 things that are most important to you and how does your candidate support those issues?

(You can not mention or direct your answer to the opposing side.)

It's a kind of, put your money where your mouth is question.

Wow Jodi.  What an unfair and skewed question.  There are a great many people who are voting McCain because he's the lesser of two evils.  They feel Obama would destroy this country.  Where does that fit in your agenda..errr...question?  How are those people supposed to answer?

Here's one for you, Jodi, do you still French kiss your father?  You can not editorialize your answer.  Simply answer yes or no.  See how that works?

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!!!!!! you take a question that asks for you, to say why you support your candidate and turn it into this? 

Is it the part where I didn't want you to run down the other guy, is it so binding mentally you can't deal with it, and you ask an incest question.  Geebus!!!!

 If it was a man with a teenage daughter that is pregnant it wouldn't be an issue.  I hope your PTO thing isn't representative of stronger women in this country

Gee Ron two posts so far on this thread and you've been an ass to me both times. Wow I am wounded :0) LOL

 

edited to change to Geebus



Edited by Jodi Moisan on 02 September 2008 at 7:33pm
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