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Daniel Presedo Byrne Robotics Member

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I have nothing against Mike personally, we have disagreed and I just expected a different response from him on the subject.
Sorry Ted , I have a child that needs attention -sheesh - is that the requirement for this thread, then I am out. And yield my time to ummm... Mr Myers.
Ted, if you really do not understand my response then <sigh>
Marc that makes no sense. Everyone on this thread has a very biased <ideological> concepts about or culture.
Directly from the desk of the "arbiter of ideology"
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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No, Keith - look - where I live, we only get Right Wing Radio, so I've heard the spin - that her terms as Mayor of a town of about 3 times my high school, and gov of a state that has less people than my hometown (Seven Square Miles!) of San Francisco SOMEHOW gives her more experience than Obama and...
Well, let's put it like this. That man on Fox News who said she's got foreign policy experience because Alaska is near Russia? That's the level we're dealing with.
I do not give her any respect as she has done nothing to deserve it. She's everything I despise in a person, much less a politician.
And... we'll see about the charges against her. It's cool that you're all about innocent till proven guilty. I admire that. I have to assume that you believed that OJ was innocent before and through his criminal trial, and will now consider his guilt after the civil trial, right?
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

Joined: 16 April 2004 Location: United States Posts: 1973
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| Posted: 03 September 2008 at 11:36pm | IP Logged | 3
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Why is what I say spin, and what you say not? I'm saying what I think. They both are politically fresh. You can't champion Obama as an experienced political veteran.
"I do not give her any respect as she has done nothing to deserve it.
She's everything I despise in a person, much less a politician. "
You really think she deserves that rancor? I just don't get it. I disagree with Obama on nearly every political stand he has, but I don't "despise him as a person".
As far as the charges, let's just wait and see. OJ was pretty obviously guilty, and there was evidence from other sources than radical OJ hate blogs.
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Tomas D Aquin Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 03 September 2008 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | 4
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QUOTE:
| That man on Fox News who said she's got foreign policy experience because Alaska is near Russia? |
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Cindy McCain said the same thing.
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Michael Roberts Byrne Robotics Member

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He may or may not be right about the cause; but for some reason, Palin
has seemed to send a lot of Democrats into an absolute fit. They seem
personally insulted by it, or outraged, or something.
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From what I've seen brought up about Palin's politics, she comes across as another Mike Huckabee. And I think that's why the decision to choose her comes across as pandering and insulting. If McCain wanted a social conservative running mate to appeal to the evangelical base of the Republican party, it kind of made sense to choose Huckabee. Instead he chose a less well-known, less experienced female version of Huckabee, and it reads as an attempt to appeal to disappointed Clinton voters.
Not to mention that Huckabee was SO well-loved by the left.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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Michael,
I can understand that. My biggest reservations about Palin is her religious fundamentalism; although, I would like to wait and see where she is in that spectrum. "Fundamentalist" can describe people from scary cultist to somebody who actually (gasp) thinks God exists.
But I still don't understand why it is taken so personally. Why hate? Why not just think she's good-intentioned but mistaken? Common courtesy demands that be the initial assumption.
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Jodi Moisan Byrne Robotics Member

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I watched the speech and it was good, exactly what the republicans wanted.
I am sorry but I am insulted that they give THIS woman the chance to be the first woman VP. There are far better candidates than this one and you know it, If she wasn't attractive she would not be on the ticket.
- She belonged to a group that wanted Alaska to leave the Union.
- She asked her employees to sign a letter of loyality.
- She asked the librarian how to ban books and almost fired her for not going along with it.
- She first said she had nothing to do with trying to influence a dept head to fire her ex-bother in law, but now says well maybe those 12 calls we made might have looked bad.
- She flip flopped on the issue of teaching creationism in public schools, first said she was all for it then had to flip flop because people blew her shit.
- She believes we are guided by God, to be in Iraq
- She was sued by the Alaska supreme court to force her to sign in to law a gay right law, which she opposed.
- She is fighting to get the polar bear off the endangered list
- She clains to be a great hockey mom who exposes her 17 year old pregnant daughter to all this horrible mud slinging, no one else did this, she did!!! Don't bring up what a great mother she is , then have this happen and claim, heys it's unfair if she was a man she wouldn't be attacked like this. Bullshit, I don't ever remember a male candidate for VP ever doing this. Just because she is a female doesn't give her a pass.
- They interviewed her one day before she agreed to do this, one day.
- She thinks the founding fathers had "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance.
You all want to put a VP that is clueless and a man that says he voted over 90% with this President. You all claim you want less taxes and government, but Under this President and republican controlled house and senate, larger goverment was thrust on us and a deficit so large I have no idea how we will ever get out from under it. You have watched this country, looked down on by almost every country in the world. But hey, "you don't really care what a bunch of foreigners think", in a world economy that's a great plan. You didn't keep us safe from terrorist, we were attacked under your watch. All of this and you have the nerve to cry that we are the party that will bring this country to it's knees.
Edited to add:
My dad used a great Harry Truman quote on those that will after Bush, vote republican again:
"If you vote republican, you'll get what you deserve."
Edited by Jodi Moisan on 04 September 2008 at 12:30am
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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No, Keith. A spiritual or religious person is someone who thinks, believes God exists.
A fundamentalist, by definition, is:
Main Entry:
fun·da·men·tal·ism
Pronunciation:
\-tə-ˌli-zəm\
Function:
noun
Date:
1922
1 aoften capitalized : a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching b: the beliefs of this movement c: adherence to such beliefs2: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles <Islamic fundamentalism> <political fundamentalism>
— fun·da·men·tal·ist \-tə-list\ noun
— fundamentalist or fun·da·men·tal·is·tic \-ˌmen-tə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective
Fundamentalists are, as you say, the scarry cultists.
She's not a regular Christian - Barack Obama is a Christian. She's a fundamentalist.
Nothing she has done, politically, causes me to grant her common courtesy. She's not someone I just disagree with and respect, like John McCain, she's someone who is hurtfull to the American Fabric.
Try all you want - and go to sleep thinking you're the better bigger man, but in the end, I have no respect for her or her kind. If they want to keep to their own and practice their beliefs on their own, then power to them, but foisting it upon the public stage? I will not stand for America to be sullied in this manner.
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Daniel Presedo Byrne Robotics Member

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| Posted: 04 September 2008 at 12:41am | IP Logged | 9
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from George Washington on
It serves always to distract the public councils and enfeeble the
public administration. It agitates the community with ill-founded
jealousies and false alarms, kindles the animosity of one part against
another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door
to foreign influence and corruption, which finds a facilitated access
to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus
the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and
will of another.
This thread of late has proven it to be true 200+ years later...
Edited by Daniel Presedo on 04 September 2008 at 12:44am
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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Mike, I understand English. I also understand the typical distortions of English. Fundamentalism has been adapted as an attack word, and thus can imply different meanings.
For instance: "a movement in 20th century Protestantism emphasizing the literally interpreted Bible as fundamental to Christian life and teaching"
So, perhaps Palin is a protestant that believes the literal bible is fundamental to Christian life and teaching. There's a large portion of the united states that would say "so?" That doesn't mean she's protesting "GOD HATES GAYS" at military funerals. It might mean she believes in Noah and the Ark... which would be quite silly, and which would lump her in with most Americans.
Nothing she has done, politically, causes me to grant her common
courtesy. She's not someone I just disagree with and respect, like
John McCain, she's someone who is hurtfull to the American Fabric.
Try all you want - and go to sleep thinking you're the better bigger man, but in the end, I have no respect for her or her kind.
Mike, you didn't know anything about her five days ago. All you've heard since then are factoids slung around by partisans on both sides, couched to make her look either as good as possible or as bad as possible.
And "go to sleep thinking you're the better bigger man?" What do you think I'm trying to do? Stroke my ego by trying to score a "win" in a political debate on a web forum? Discussion needn't always be a competition, and it's not a zero-sum game.
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Keith Elder Byrne Robotics Member

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Daniel,
He's my favorite president. Less experience than Palin OR Obama, too...
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Mike O'Brien Byrne Robotics Member
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Feel all better now?
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